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<scribe> ScribeNick: Holger
Simon, Victor, Krzysztof, Luis, Jesus, Fernando, Kevin
Simon, Francisco, Laurent, Amit Sheth
<jgraybea> Hello Holger
<jgraybea> So we will use IRC, but not for the technical notes?
Yes, Michael will take the notes his way and put the PDF on the wiki
<jgraybea> I would like to capture as much of the content as possible on http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Ontologies_Attributes
<jgraybea> I will take those notes -- will that be OK with you and Holger? Or too redundant?
Notes can be too redundant ;-)
Notes CAN'T be too redundant ;-)
<jgraybea> just to finish that thread for the log herre, we will defer updating the SSN Ontologies Attributes page to after the meeting
<Arthur> +??P6 is me
<jgraybea> I think the background noise came on with Danh
<krp> Perhaps anyone who's not speaking could mute themselves, either on their handset or through zakim? (please!)
<michael> I can load onto sensor in Protege3.3.1, but the sumo import doesn't work.
<ocorcho> I think that the problem is that it is using old OWL syntax
<ocorcho> the one that was candidate recommendation in 2003
<ocorcho> at least I see rdfs:subClassOf descriptions in the text file
<ocorcho> rgarcia is working with me at UPM
<ocorcho> I think that on this specific type of model we could also take a look at things like SUMO. Probably they many of these things defined. Just a thought
<ocorcho> is it true that a sensor can only measure one property? Isn't that a very restricted view?
<jgraybea> it is typically in the vocabulary of the definer (some think of sensor at transducer level)
<ocorcho> I am trying to access the conference call again and the system tells me that it is restricted
<ocorcho> is that for everybody?
<kerry> could mean we already have 15 people
the hour has passed...
<kerry> i am listening, but maybe cant be heard
<ocorcho> ok. I will be looking for minutes.. Sorry that I am missing this part where I wanted to contribute
<ocorcho> as well
<kerry> i have reviewd liu 2005 before
<jgraybea> Krzysztof suggests that we consider what we want to do before identifying preferred starting point
<michael> Oscar - write an email to the list and we'll make sure the input is included
<jgraybea> 775.aaaa is graybeal
<kerry> not working for me today
<kerry> i have reviewd liu 2005 before
<kerry> can provideshort summary
<jgraybea> it appears property adoption would be straightforward in many cases, but more fundamental structural issues may be harder to address
<jgraybea> structural issues could include composition, observations, real time information, sensors as stimulus
<jgraybea> suggestion of core specification widely usable, and expanded version with more extensive characteristics
<jgraybea> krp: make sure we can ensure positioning of data from the sensors, and so forth
<jgraybea> michael: in some sense data/observations and sensors should be equally first class
<krzysztof_j> we do
<cory> we do too
<Danh_DERI> we do too
<jgraybea> observations are of critical interest but (as noted above) many ontologies of them exist (SONET has list)
<jgraybea> SWE trying to abstract common observation model
<krzysztof_j> we can start working on the ensor ontology but should keep the observation part in mind
<jgraybea> the question is whether we could start with CSIRO and build on to that with other content
<michael> I think that sounds sensible.
<krzysztof_j> and connect/align the ontologies later
<krp> Yes, sounds sensible.
<scribe> ACTION: all_presenters to edit http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Ontologies_Attributes for their presented ontology(ies) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/01-ssn-minutes.html#action01]
<jgraybea> yes, I suggest we start with that but treat any 'conflicts' with the other ontologies as possible structure issues (add them to the issues list)
<Danh_DERI> sorry, I was kicked out
<scribe> ACTION: Michael and John to put detailed minutes on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/01-ssn-minutes.html#action02]
<kerry> bye, I have to go now. Neither the phone nor the IRC worked properly for me today...good content if only i had heard it. thanks
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