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Rich Web Application Backplane telecon

16 Jun 2009

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
wiecha, John_Boyer, Steven
Regrets
Uli
Chair
wiecha
Scribe
John_Boyer

Contents


 

 

<Steven> hi

<scribe> scribe: John_Boyer

Ample SDK

<wiecha> http://www.amplesdk.com/examples/svg/dynamic/

Charlie: other js implementations of W3C specs
... xg report should accentuate the "ubiquity" movement of using js on the client
... they have cool XUL and svg stuff, have plans for xforms though nothing available yet
... not using the same decorator mechanism
... but is a viable technical approach
... I was impressed with their SVG on IE

Steven: Yes and it even works on Opera, though not Chrome

Charlie: We can approach them about decoration
... it points to need for standardization of this type of work
... Does anyone know what AML is?
... they have an XML wrapper around Google Maps.
... They do something close to a repeat for the pinpoints
... Not quite what Mark Birbeck is doing with atomic control

Steven: No it's more like nodeset
... unrolled repeat

Charlie: Here would be a place to inject our richtext markup from ubiquity to put html into the pinpoints
... Steven, can you look at doing this for our demo?

Steven: I can look at it.
... AML is "Ample markup language"
... They have a repeater element

Charlie: I wonder what the event lifecycle for updating is

Steven: This is a Finnish site.
... They have a Russian version of the site
... Instead of XPath, they're using CSS selectors in their repeats
... We ought to be talking to these people.

Charlie: They know about XForms; it's on their to-do list
... their documentation says XForms 1.1 is currently in development
... they also have an XBL page

John: what's the license?
... If apache or bsd or something similar, that would enable ubiquity to borrow the XBL
... if GPL, we won't be able to touch it

<scribe> ACTION: Charlie to contact AML people about licensing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/16-backplane-minutes.html#action01]

Ubiquity ODF

<Steven> http://www.amplesdk.com/ample/technologies/ui/

<Steven> XForms 1.0 (in development)

Charlie: John and I submitted a paper to DocEng09 on ODF improvements
... We can put it on the web until it is published
... if/once it is accepted
... If we did an ODF spreadsheet, there would be confusion with xforms repeat

Steven: It's confusing if we show things in ODF that can already be done in XForms

Charlie: in ODT spec, there are a number of computed metadata items across the document that don't overlap with xhtml2
... These would be interesting because they highlight the ODFness, so we should accentuate points that people won't say "but I can do this in web markup or in xforms"

John: Are we not picking a flow layout fill-in-the-blanks contract document because it's too hard to implement?

Charlie: No, we get flow layout for free with HTML for the flow and xforms for the blanks.

John: I mean flow layout of *editable* text.

Charlie: Oh, no, that would be too hard to implement

John: Even if not implemented in the prototype, we can still make the point that there are important *interactive* capabilities that can be implemented that are beyond html + xforms

Charlie: Can you go into more detail?

John: If the "web page" is in "design mode" that is essentially using a live DOM to record the end-user interaction as ODF

ODF on the web

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Charlie to contact AML people about licensing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/16-backplane-minutes.html#action01]
 
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