RIF telecon 2 June 2009 -- 02 Jun 2009

<csma> agendum+ Admin

<csma> agendum+ liaisons

<csma> agendum+ Action review

<csma> agendum+ Last call publications

<csma> agendum+ rdf:PlainLiteral

<csma> agendum+ WG future and schedule

<csma> agendum+ Test cases

<csma> agendum+ AOB

<ChrisW> you've got it?

<csma> Hi, Chris

<csma> Yep, should be done

<csma> I moved rdf:PlainLiteral up the agenda

<csma> after our LC discussions

<ChrisW> k

<Harold> hi

<csma> agendum+ Admin

<csma> agendum+ liaisons

<csma> agendum+ Action review

<csma> agendum+ Last call publications

<csma> agendum+ rdf:PlainLiteral

<csma> agendum+ WG future and schedule

<csma> agendum+ Test cases

<csma> agendum+ AOB

<sandro> I am here, on the call.

<csma> I am on th ephone

<Harold> I am here, on the call.

<cke> I'm here, on the call. I hear you

<ChrisW> Attendees: ChrisW, csma, cke, Harold, Sandro, Stella, Hassan,

<csma> Scribe: Gary Hallmark

<csma> scribenick: Gary

<ChrisW> Attendees: ChrisW, csma, cke, Harold, Sandro, Stella, Hassan, Gary, Axel, Adrian

<csma> next item

csma: no minutes from last telecon?

chris: no not there

<csma> next item

<ChrisW> Attendees: ChrisW, csma, cke, Harold, Sandro, Stella, Hassan, Gary, Axel, Adrian, Michael

<ChrisW> close action-832

<trackbot> ACTION-832 Update wording in intro & abstract to use "SHOULD" closed

<ChrisW> close action-826

<trackbot> ACTION-826 Add, if possible, an operational definition of safety closed

<ChrisW> close action-825

<trackbot> ACTION-825 Clarify in PRD that safeness is required to guarantee that constraint solving is not needed closed

<ChrisW> close action-772

<trackbot> ACTION-772 Review swc closed

<StellaMitchell> done

<ChrisW> close action-708

<trackbot> ACTION-708 Add import rejection test category to test cases and add combination constant equivalence test case closed

<Hassan> continued ...

<AdrianP> not sure if it was reviewed as part of the Core reviews

<ChrisW> close action-439, no one from Aberdeen participates anymore

<ChrisW> close action-439

<trackbot> ACTION-439 Post test cases fir RIF closed

<csma> next item

sandro: rdf:plainLiteral (was rdf:text) ready to publish June 11 (syncing with OWL)

<sandro> expecting actual publication date to be June 11.

csma: need to review Adrian's change to mathematical English

<AdrianP> added ground lists to http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Core#Terms_of_RIF-Core

chris: keep subscripts in <tt> for easier to read ones (1)

csma: close or review?

chris: lists can contain function terms?

csma: yes
... provided no variables of course

<ChrisW> close action-803

<trackbot> ACTION-803 Update mathematic syntax for Core to reflect restricted lists closed

axel: will complete BLD and SWC actions today
... small changes to do in DTB for rdf:text

<sandro> Axel, the mail from Alan I'm talking about is: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-text/2009AprJun/0267.html

we will leave Jos' DTB actions open

<sandro> PROPOSED: the formal semantics of list operations, ACTION-814, can wait until after Last Call for DTB.

<sandro> +1

<ChrisW> We will make the change as editorial by CR

<ChrisW> +1

<Harold> +1

<AdrianP> +1

<DaveReynolds> +1

<StellaMitchell> +1

<AxelPolleres_> abstain, would feel better with the changes in , but can't commit to do it

<sandro> RESOLVED: the formal semantics of list operations, ACTION-814, can wait until after Last Call for DTB.

chris: DTB is waiting on append and rdf:plainLiteral
... but not waiting for formal semantics of list ops

<csma> ACTION: axel to do the name changes in DTB and rdf:PlainLiteral [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-rif-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-834 - Do the name changes in DTB and rdf:PlainLiteral [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-06-09].

csma: PRD contingent on Chris' review of equivalence of semantics of conditions
... and Gary's review of safeness
... Gary wonders why PRD's safeness definition is completely different from Core
... SWC status - for now, remove the proofs

chris: SWC uses outdated defn of multistructures

axel: can make some changes

chris: will review Axel's SWC changes
... happy w/ Michael's FLD edits
... Core and BLD are ready to publish; others await actions

sandro: sparql and OWL now agree on syntax and semantics of rdf:plainLiteral
... oddly, rdf:plainLiteral doesn't appear in RDF graphs
... should the spec go to CR, or 2nd LC?

chris: Axel needs to review

csma: this doesn't affect RIF, so can't we make a resolution (for RIF)?

sandro: OWL and sparql are reviewing the semweb compatibility aspects; we don't need to worry about it
... they seem to be doing the right things

<sandro> PROPOSED: We approve rdf:PlainLiteral (formerly rdf:text) as ready for Candidate Recommendation (or second Last Call, if others block it from being CR), pending completion of pending actions.

<sandro> action-834?

<trackbot> ACTION-834 -- Axel Polleres to do the name changes in DTB and rdf:PlainLiteral -- due 2009-06-09 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/actions/834

<ChrisW> ACTION: axel to review rdf:text this week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-rif-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-835 - Review rdf:text this week [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-06-09].

<ChrisW> ACTION: axel to address AlanR's comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-rif-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-836 - Address AlanR's comments [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-06-09].

<sandro> that's http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-text/2009AprJun/0267.html

<csma> PROPOSED: We approve rdf:PlainLiteral (formerly rdf:text) as ready for Candidate Recommendation (or second Last Call, if others block it from being CR), pending completion of action 834, 835 and 836.

<ChrisW> +1

<sandro> +1 (W3C)

<DaveReynolds> 0 [Don't object, think current position is probably best that can be achieved]

<Harold> +1

<Michael_Kifer> +1

<AdrianP> +1

<AxelPolleres> +1

<sandro> http://www.w3.org/Member/ACList still lists CSMA.

<csma> RESOLVED: We approve rdf:PlainLiteral (formerly rdf:text) as ready for Candidate Recommendation (or second Last Call, if others block it from being CR), pending completion of action 834, 835 and 836.

csma: RIF needs FAQ
... all please submit some Qs

<Harold> >>What does "RIF" stand for, literally?<<

<csma> ACTION: sandro to start an FAQ wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-rif-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-837 - Start an FAQ wiki [on Sandro Hawke - due 2009-06-09].

<sandro> "literally", Harold?

sandro: will check pubs for broken links, etc. Please fix problems promptly!
... RIF extension asked for until end of Nov 2009

<sandro> that's NOT what I said Gary. I said I expected it would be, but such things are announced to the AC first, and this has not been announced.

<csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/meeting/2009-04-17#future_of_the_WG

<Harold> Sandro, what about another (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU) recursive acronym: "RIF's In Flux"

<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Extension_Request_2009

<sandro> Harold, is there some problem with "Rule Interchange Format"? That's what I've typed about 1000 times.

<ChrisW> I think Harold is being facetious

<ChrisW> ...as well as pointing out a legitimate faq

<ChanghaiKe> Christian, the network here is extremely slow

<sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/meeting/2009-04-17

csma: we plan 4 week last call comment deadline

<sandro> chris: July 10 as deadline for comments.

<sandro> chris: CR decision on July 31

chris: (proposal) meet June 9, then every other week
... meet = RIF telecon

<sandro> chris: (4 weeks last call period)

csma: if REC in Nov, when do we need implementations?

sandro: transition from LC to CR may be overly optimistic
... at least 5 weeks

<sandro> csma: we need implementations done by the end of September.

csma: implementors should start now (last call)

sandro: implement what?
... e.g. all the different entailments, etc

<ChrisW> Attendees: ChrisW, csma, cke, Harold, Sandro, Stella, Hassan, Gary, Axel, Adrian, Michael

<DaveReynolds> Dave

<ChrisW> Attendees: ChrisW, csma, cke, Harold, Sandro, Stella, Hassan, Gary, Axel, Adrian, Michael, Dave

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RIF telecon 2 June 2009

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