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<trackbot> Date: 26 May 2009
<Bob> rrsagent. generate minutes
<Bob> trackbot, start conference
<trackbot> Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 26 May 2009
<Bob> scribe: Paul Nolan
<Bob> scribenick: Paul
Approval of Agenda
Katy asks if we can touch on 6920
Added to agenda 6920
Reqquest to change date of Sept F2F
<asir> 6920?
<dug> 6920
6920 yes
Agenda accepted
Minutes 19th May
No objectioms - approved
<dug> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43088/200906F2FReg/
call for attendees for June F2F
request from Dave to move 2 weeks out
<Katy> 29th - 1st October proposed
<dug> LOL Bob is planning Ashok's vacation
Agreed to move date
<Bob> New f2f date is Sep 29-Oct 1
<Bob> Nov TPAC http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/overview.html
Not much gap between Sept meeting and the November one
Geoff: travel approval may be a problem
Geoff: withdraws new issue
All issues accepted
Bob: which snapshot shall we use
for June F2F?
... By 17 June heartbeat publication needed
<dug> does the NS change?
Bob: Suggests we publish next version as public working draft
<asir> Yes the namespace name will change
<dug> is that something the editors will do or will yves?
<dug> thanks
May snapshot is public working draft
<dug> geez
<Geoff> Microsoft will need to submit formal objection by first week of June to be weaved into status section of second public working draft
wu: meeting Thur. Shared proposal with team. Please have a look
<Katy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009May/0170.html
Gil: issue. Formatting of wrapped and raw notifications. Suggest using a WSDL and Mex to describe formatting of notification
Bob: is more time needed before the group agrees?
Gil: yes
Dug: highlights suggestions in wiki for using Policy
Gil: suggestion b1 avoids the need for full Policy processing capabilities
Bob: can everyone submit pros and
cons to these suggestions?
... can we have a coordinator? Ideally someone not too close to
the topic
Bob: volunteer required to run with this topic
Geoff volunteerd
Doug with work with him
<dug> in/out of T ns, in/out of same doc, pros/cons of Dialect attribute
Bob: Please cover in/out of T NS, same doc or different ones
Results presented at F2F
<Katy> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6924
Gil: This issue is for some way of indicating that there was a problem with a PUT but it is not a message formatting problem
Geoff: should this be application specific to avoid complexity
Gil: could be optional so need not be complex
<dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6920
Katy: Enumeration schema showed up as invalid when checked
<Katy> In the schema, replace:
<Katy> <xs:attribute ref="xml:lang" />
<Katy> with
<Katy> <xs:attribute name="lang" type="xs:language" />
<Katy> and remove the namespace prefix "xml" from the enumeration message.
<Katy> So
<Katy> <wsen:Reason xml:lang="language identifier" >
<Katy> xs:string
<Katy> </wsen:Reason> ?
<Katy> becomes:
<Katy> <wsen:Reason lang="language identifier" >
<Katy> xs:string
<Katy> </wsen:Reason> ?
<asir> <xs:import namespace="http://www.w3.org/XML/1998/namespace" schemaLocation="http://www.w3.org/2001/xml.xsd">
asir: looks like schema was missing
<Katy> "language used in the contents and attribute values of any element in an XML
<Katy> document"
Katy: will try the suggestion
dug: why do we need the attribute?
xxx: SOAP 1.2 normally covers xml:lang but enumeration is for a broader audience
Geoff: extension elements and attributes must not use same NS as spec
<gpilz> doesn't namespace="##other"
Gil: Doesnt "##other" cover this?
Geoff: this suggestion is for completeness
RESOLUTION: as proposed
katy: suggestion does work
proposal is to update schema to import namespace
<dug> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/wseventing.html#Schema
Eventing does not need updating
RESOLUTION: proposal 1
<gpilz> "generate" is completely unconstrained
<gpilz> "MAY generate" and "MUST generate" are semantically equivalent
Geoff: would like to check through all occurances
Bob: shall we delay for a wek?
yes
Dug: Geoff was going to explain resource representation
<asir> I thought that Katy wanted to discuss issue 6721 rather than 6712
Dug: compare Create with Get - do they return the same thing?
<Bob> Katy said that Paul can cover it in her absence
<asir> okay
Geoff: Can we make assumptions clearer in the spec
Dug: Create and Put have some symetry. The simple case is clear however what happens with an instruction
Geoff: instructions and simple elements can looks the same however they do not need to
<dug> asir: I like consistency
<asir> not true
Geoff: service will provide the means to distinguish between the two
<Katy> Bye, have a nice summer, speak to you in Sept (when all the issues are closed :o) )
<Yves> tracker, end telcon
<Yves> trackbot, end telcon
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