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<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
<scribe> Scribe: Art
Date: 14 May 2009
AB: draft agenda sent to the mail list on 13 May (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0528.html). I'll add a P&C LC status and plan topic. Any other change requests?
AB: I don't have any announcements. Does anyone?
[ None ]
AB: Marcos, Jere and Robin had a prolonged IRC discussion on 13 May (http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/webapps/20090513). What's the status Marcos?
MC: we looked at the essence of
Francois' suggestions
... they make sense so we began working thru the details for a
widget engine
... this simplifies a lot of things in the model
... main changes are to lookup mechanism
... fundamental model is the same
... there is no notion of a base folder any more and thus xml
base is not needed
AB: what percent of the l10n model is now done?
MC: about 80%
<Marcos_> Rule for Finding Files within a Widget Package
MC: with Jere's help, eliminated Step 5
<Marcos_> Step 5 - Derive the User Agent's locale
MC: but there is a new Step
5
... how the UA gets the list of locales is not specified
AB: what is the plan to complete the remaining 20%?
MC: I will ask Francois for comments on what we have done
<Marcos> have I just been rambling?
AS: where is the latest version?
AB: http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/
<Marcos> while disconnected?
<Marcos> bah
<Marcos> reconnecting
<Marcos> reconnecting
AB: Jere, is MC waiting on any inputs from you?
JK: no; I gave him the info; I just need to review the edits, just like Francois
<arve> By the way, apologies for calling in late, I've been to another meeting
AB: I would prefer to complete the model now, publish the LC and then ask Francois and the I18N WG for comments
MC: I agree, let's do that
AB: any comments on my proposal?
[ None ]
AS: I support that
AB: MC, when can you have the edits completed?
MC: by May 15 can have first set
of edits in
... but Robin and I need to work together on that
AB: is there some review Jere could do now that would be helpful?
MC: yes; Step 5
AB: Marcos, when you have completed your edits, will you send a notification to the list?
MC: yes
AB: Francois continued the base folder discussion ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0518.html). Marcos, have the concerns Francois raised been reflected in the latest ED?
MC: I think this is now addressed but not positive
<JereK> Look also at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0527.html
MC: Jere, what do you think?
JK: yes, I think so
... we used his comments when we worked on our design
AB: last week we had a relatively
long discussion on the <access> element and the
associated Security Model (http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-wam-minutes.html#item04).
... we will continue that discussion including: status; what
must be specified for v1 (without causing backward
compatibility problems for v2); normative vs. non-normative
Security Considerations; plan to complete the model.
... Spec: (http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#the-access-element).
Thread: (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0514.html).
IRC discussion: (http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/webapps/20090512).
MC: I think the access element is about 50% complete
AB: we are missing both Thomas
and Robin
... so we will cut this topic short
... Thomas will be available on Monday
MC: a separate telecon on this would be helpful
<scribe> ACTION: barstow organize a telco for Widgets Security Model on May 18 or 19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-341 - Organize a telco for Widgets Security Model on May 18 or 19 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-05-21].
AB: anything else on this?
... Arve, Marcos, what is your avail on May 18 or 19?
Arve: I am not avail after 14:00
AB: ok
AB: On May 8 Marcos proposed text for the viewmodes attribute (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0515.html). The discussion digressed a bit and I don't believe anyone objected to the proposal. The proposal seems reasonable to me. Marcos, what's the status?
MC: I added my proposal to the spec
AB: any comments on this?
[ None ]
AB: the latest ED (http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-api/)
of the A&E has some Red Block issues. Want to discuss these
and get commitments for inputs to address them.
... there is a big red block in Section 5 after the Widget
interface
MC: this is C+P from an email
that pointed out some inconsistencies
... I need to sync the two specs
AB: need to sync definitions?
MC: definitions and behavior too
AB: is this related to the instantiation thread?
<Marcos> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0461.html
MC: no, that was URI spec
AB: do you need some help on this issue Marcos?
MC: if Arve has some feedback,
that would be good
... I need to review A+E and P+C for consistency
AB: I agree we need consistency
but this doesn't seem critical i.e. we could fix during
LC
... next one is in Section 5.1 viewMode Attr
MC: the definition in this spec is wrong
Arve: what is wrong?
MC: the value of window widget mode is defined in P+C
Arve: this is the result of lacking a Widget UA spec
AB: can we create a "good enuf" solution to get this spec to LC?
MC: we can remove the dependency
on P+C and make it on Window Modes spec
... the depedency in sec 5.1 is wrong and must be updated
AB: what's the priority Marcos of P+C and A+E?
MC: the priority is P+C
AB: Arve, what is your prio to address these A+E issues?
Arve: I can't get to them until May 19 at the earliest
<scribe> ACTION: Barstow send request to the WG to supply inputs for the A+E Red Block Issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-342 - Send request to the WG to supply inputs for the A+E Red Block Issues [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-05-21].
Arve: re the Red Block issue in
5.12, this is straight forward edits
... re the issue in 5.14, I don't understand the issue
MC: I raised it
... this needs to align with what is spec'ed in P+C
AB: I am unconvinced this needs to be specified
MC: the feature element needs normalization
AB: is there any prior art in the spec world?
JK: the URI spec has some related text. TLR has a view on this.
AB: so how do we move forward on this?
<scribe> ACTION: Marcos send an email to the mail list re URI normalization [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-343 - Send an email to the mail list re URI normalization [on Marcos Caceres - due 2009-05-21].
Arve: re ACKS and Norm Refs section, we just need to complete the info
AB: any volunteers to help with these Appendix?
MC: we can fix these after we get to LC
<scribe> ACTION: Barstow submit input for A+E's Normative References [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-344 - Submit input for A+E's Normative References [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-05-21].
AB: I think the Norm Refs should be completed before LC is published
Arve: I agree
MC: OK; I'll do it
RESOLUTION: we will update A+E's Normative Refs before we publish LCWD
AB: yesterday I started a thread (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0525.html) to gather a list of issues and actions that must be completed before we can publish a LCWD of the A&E spec. I don't believe there were any responses so we'll take some time now to create that list. Naturally, we don't need to discuss the Red Block Issues in the ED. Arve, Marcos, let's start with you.
MC: I need to do a thorough review
Arve: I also need to do a
thorough review
... I think there are some stylistic issues to make
... and some editorial changes
... but no new features
AB: anything else that is mandatory to do before LCWD is published?
[ None ]
AB: I don't have anything
... anyone else?
[ None ]
AB: Meeting Adjourned
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