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Widgets Voice Conference

14 May 2009

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Art, Jere, Marcos, AndyS, Arve
Regrets
Thomas, Robin, David, Nick, Marcin, AndyB
Chair
Art
Scribe
Art

Contents


 

 

<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB

<scribe> Scribe: Art

Date: 14 May 2009

Review and tweak agenda

AB: draft agenda sent to the mail list on 13 May (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0528.html). I'll add a P&C LC status and plan topic. Any other change requests?

Announcements

AB: I don't have any announcements. Does anyone?

[ None ]

P&C spec: Status of completing L10N model

AB: Marcos, Jere and Robin had a prolonged IRC discussion on 13 May (http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/webapps/20090513). What's the status Marcos?

MC: we looked at the essence of Francois' suggestions
... they make sense so we began working thru the details for a widget engine
... this simplifies a lot of things in the model
... main changes are to lookup mechanism
... fundamental model is the same
... there is no notion of a base folder any more and thus xml base is not needed

AB: what percent of the l10n model is now done?

MC: about 80%

<Marcos_> Rule for Finding Files within a Widget Package

MC: with Jere's help, eliminated Step 5

<Marcos_> Step 5 - Derive the User Agent's locale

MC: but there is a new Step 5
... how the UA gets the list of locales is not specified

AB: what is the plan to complete the remaining 20%?

MC: I will ask Francois for comments on what we have done

<Marcos> have I just been rambling?

AS: where is the latest version?

AB: http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/

<Marcos> while disconnected?

<Marcos> bah

<Marcos> reconnecting

<Marcos> reconnecting

AB: Jere, is MC waiting on any inputs from you?

JK: no; I gave him the info; I just need to review the edits, just like Francois

<arve> By the way, apologies for calling in late, I've been to another meeting

AB: I would prefer to complete the model now, publish the LC and then ask Francois and the I18N WG for comments

MC: I agree, let's do that

AB: any comments on my proposal?

[ None ]

AS: I support that

AB: MC, when can you have the edits completed?

MC: by May 15 can have first set of edits in
... but Robin and I need to work together on that

AB: is there some review Jere could do now that would be helpful?

MC: yes; Step 5

AB: Marcos, when you have completed your edits, will you send a notification to the list?

MC: yes

P&C spec: Base folder and resolution of relative paths

AB: Francois continued the base folder discussion ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0518.html). Marcos, have the concerns Francois raised been reflected in the latest ED?

MC: I think this is now addressed but not positive

<JereK> Look also at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0527.html

MC: Jere, what do you think?

JK: yes, I think so
... we used his comments when we worked on our design

P&C spec: <access> element and Security Model

AB: last week we had a relatively long discussion on the <access> element and the associated Security Model (http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-wam-minutes.html#item04).
... we will continue that discussion including: status; what must be specified for v1 (without causing backward compatibility problems for v2); normative vs. non-normative Security Considerations; plan to complete the model.
... Spec: (http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#the-access-element). Thread: (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0514.html). IRC discussion: (http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/webapps/20090512).

MC: I think the access element is about 50% complete

AB: we are missing both Thomas and Robin
... so we will cut this topic short
... Thomas will be available on Monday

MC: a separate telecon on this would be helpful

<scribe> ACTION: barstow organize a telco for Widgets Security Model on May 18 or 19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-341 - Organize a telco for Widgets Security Model on May 18 or 19 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-05-21].

AB: anything else on this?
... Arve, Marcos, what is your avail on May 18 or 19?

Arve: I am not avail after 14:00

AB: ok

P&C spec: viewmodes proposal

AB: On May 8 Marcos proposed text for the viewmodes attribute (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0515.html). The discussion digressed a bit and I don't believe anyone objected to the proposal. The proposal seems reasonable to me. Marcos, what's the status?

MC: I added my proposal to the spec

AB: any comments on this?

[ None ]

A&E spec: Red Block Issues in the spec

AB: the latest ED (http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-api/) of the A&E has some Red Block issues. Want to discuss these and get commitments for inputs to address them.
... there is a big red block in Section 5 after the Widget interface

MC: this is C+P from an email that pointed out some inconsistencies
... I need to sync the two specs

AB: need to sync definitions?

MC: definitions and behavior too

AB: is this related to the instantiation thread?

<Marcos> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0461.html

MC: no, that was URI spec

AB: do you need some help on this issue Marcos?

MC: if Arve has some feedback, that would be good
... I need to review A+E and P+C for consistency

AB: I agree we need consistency but this doesn't seem critical i.e. we could fix during LC
... next one is in Section 5.1 viewMode Attr

MC: the definition in this spec is wrong

Arve: what is wrong?

MC: the value of window widget mode is defined in P+C

Arve: this is the result of lacking a Widget UA spec

AB: can we create a "good enuf" solution to get this spec to LC?

MC: we can remove the dependency on P+C and make it on Window Modes spec
... the depedency in sec 5.1 is wrong and must be updated

AB: what's the priority Marcos of P+C and A+E?

MC: the priority is P+C

AB: Arve, what is your prio to address these A+E issues?

Arve: I can't get to them until May 19 at the earliest

<scribe> ACTION: Barstow send request to the WG to supply inputs for the A+E Red Block Issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-342 - Send request to the WG to supply inputs for the A+E Red Block Issues [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-05-21].

Arve: re the Red Block issue in 5.12, this is straight forward edits
... re the issue in 5.14, I don't understand the issue

MC: I raised it
... this needs to align with what is spec'ed in P+C

AB: I am unconvinced this needs to be specified

MC: the feature element needs normalization

AB: is there any prior art in the spec world?

JK: the URI spec has some related text. TLR has a view on this.

AB: so how do we move forward on this?

<scribe> ACTION: Marcos send an email to the mail list re URI normalization [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-343 - Send an email to the mail list re URI normalization [on Marcos Caceres - due 2009-05-21].

Arve: re ACKS and Norm Refs section, we just need to complete the info

AB: any volunteers to help with these Appendix?

MC: we can fix these after we get to LC

<scribe> ACTION: Barstow submit input for A+E's Normative References [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-344 - Submit input for A+E's Normative References [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-05-21].

AB: I think the Norm Refs should be completed before LC is published

Arve: I agree

MC: OK; I'll do it

RESOLUTION: we will update A+E's Normative Refs before we publish LCWD

A&E spec: What needs to be done to before the LCWD can be published?

AB: yesterday I started a thread (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0525.html) to gather a list of issues and actions that must be completed before we can publish a LCWD of the A&E spec. I don't believe there were any responses so we'll take some time now to create that list. Naturally, we don't need to discuss the Red Block Issues in the ED. Arve, Marcos, let's start with you.

MC: I need to do a thorough review

Arve: I also need to do a thorough review
... I think there are some stylistic issues to make
... and some editorial changes
... but no new features

AB: anything else that is mandatory to do before LCWD is published?

[ None ]

AOB

AB: I don't have anything
... anyone else?

[ None ]

AB: Meeting Adjourned

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: barstow organize a telco for Widgets Security Model on May 18 or 19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Barstow send request to the WG to supply inputs for the A+E Red Block Issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Barstow submit input for A+E's Normative References [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Marcos send an email to the mail list re URI normalization [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-minutes.html#action03]
 
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