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13:01:16 <ArtB> Scribe: Art
13:01:19 <ArtB> Chair: Art
13:01:29 <Zakim> +JereK
13:01:30 <ArtB> Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference
13:01:32 <ArtB> Date: 14 May 2009
13:02:01 <ArtB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0528.html
13:03:42 <ArtB> Regrets: Thomas, Robin, David, Nick, Marcin, AndyB
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13:06:06 <ArtB> Present: Art, Jere, Marcos
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13:06:40 <ArtB> Topic: Review and tweak agenda
13:06:48 <ArtB> AB: draft agenda sent to the mail list on 13 May (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0528.html). I'll add a P&C LC status and plan topic. Any other change requests?
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13:07:14 <Zakim> +??P6
13:07:26 <ArtB> zakim, ??P6 is AndyS
13:07:26 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
13:07:38 <ArtB> Present+ AndyS
13:07:46 <Zakim> +??P4
13:08:08 <ArtB> zakim, ??P4 is Marcos
13:08:08 <Zakim> +Marcos; got it
13:08:22 <ArtB> Topic: Announcements
13:08:29 <ArtB> AB: I don't have any announcements. Does anyone?
13:08:41 <ArtB> [ None ]
13:08:42 <ArtB> Topic: P&C spec: Status of completing L10N model
13:08:53 <ArtB> AB: Marcos, Jere and Robin had a prolonged IRC discussion on 13 May (http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/webapps/20090513). What's the status Marcos?
13:09:56 <ArtB> MC: we looked at the essence of Francois' suggestions 
13:10:20 <ArtB> ... they make sense so we began working thru the details for a widget engine
13:10:42 <ArtB> ... this simplifies a lot of things in the model
13:11:01 <ArtB> ... main changes are to lookup mechanism
13:11:09 <ArtB> ... fundamental model is the same
13:11:37 <ArtB> ... there is no notion of a base folder any more and thus xml base is not needed
13:12:54 <ArtB> AB: what percent of the l10n model is now done?
13:12:59 <ArtB> MC: about 80%
13:13:16 <Marcos_> Rule for Finding Files within a Widget Package
13:13:39 <ArtB> MC: with Jere's help, eliminated Step 5
13:13:42 <Marcos_> Step 5 - Derive the User Agent's locale
13:14:05 <ArtB> ... but there is a new Step 5
13:14:46 <ArtB> ... how the UA gets the list of locales is not specified
13:15:13 <ArtB> AB: what is the plan to complete the remaining 20%?
13:15:42 <ArtB> MC: I will ask Francois for comments on what we have done
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13:17:31 <Marcos> have I just been rambling?
13:17:34 <ArtB> AS: where is the latest version?
13:17:38 <ArtB> AB: http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/
13:17:41 <Marcos> while disconnected?
13:17:56 <Marcos> bah
13:18:01 <Marcos> reconnecting
13:18:16 <Marcos> reconnecting
13:18:44 <ArtB> AB: Jere, is MC waiting on any inputs from you?
13:19:05 <ArtB> JK: no; I gave him the info; I just need to review the edits, just like Francois
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13:20:14 <ArtB> Present+ Arve
13:20:17 <arve> Zakim, aaaa is Marcos/Arve
13:20:17 <Zakim> +Marcos/Arve; got it
13:21:05 <arve> By the way, apologies for calling in late, I've been to another meeting
13:22:24 <ArtB> AB: I would prefer to complete the model now, publish the LC and then ask Francois and the I18N WG for comments
13:22:34 <ArtB> MC: I agree, let's do that
13:22:49 <ArtB> AB: any comments on my proposal?
13:22:54 <ArtB> [ None ]
13:23:01 <ArtB> AS: I support that
13:23:20 <ArtB> AB: MC, when can you have the edits completed?
13:23:34 <ArtB> MC: by May 15 can have first set of edits in
13:23:45 <ArtB> ... but Robin and I need to work together on that
13:24:04 <ArtB> AB: is there some review Jere could do now that would be helpful?
13:24:23 <ArtB> MC: yes; Step 5
13:25:14 <ArtB> AB: Marcos, when you have completed your edits, will you send a notification to the list?
13:25:17 <ArtB> MC: yes
13:26:01 <ArtB> Topic: P&C spec: Base folder and resolution of relative paths
13:26:07 <ArtB> AB: Francois continued the base folder discussion ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0518.html). Marcos, have the concerns Francois raised been reflected in the latest ED?
13:26:29 <ArtB> MC: I think this is now addressed but not positive
13:27:04 <JereK> Look also at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0527.html
13:27:06 <ArtB> ... Jere, what do you think?
13:27:12 <ArtB> JK: yes, I think so
13:27:34 <ArtB> ... we used his comments when we worked on our design
13:28:14 <ArtB> Topic: P&C spec: <access> element and Security Model
13:28:25 <ArtB> AB: last week we had a relatively long discussion on the <access> element and the associated Security Model (http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-wam-minutes.html#item04). 
13:28:51 <ArtB> AB: we will continue that discussion including: status; what must be specified for v1 (without causing backward compatibility problems for v2); normative vs. non-normative Security Considerations; plan to complete the model.
13:29:03 <ArtB> ... Spec: (http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#the-access-element). Thread: (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0514.html). IRC discussion: (http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/webapps/20090512).
13:30:00 <ArtB> MC: I think the access element is about 50% complete
13:30:40 <ArtB> AB: we are missing both Thomas and Robin
13:30:47 <ArtB> ... so we will cut this topic short
13:31:03 <ArtB> ... Thomas will be available on Monday
13:31:16 <ArtB> MC: a separate telecon on this would be helpful
13:31:36 <ArtB> ACTION: barstow organize a telco for Widgets Security Model on May 18 or 19
13:31:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-341 - Organize a telco for Widgets Security Model on May 18 or 19 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-05-21].
13:32:00 <ArtB> AB: anything else on this?
13:32:28 <ArtB> AB: Arve, Marcos, what is your avail on May 18 or 19?
13:32:51 <ArtB> Arve: I am not avail after 14:00
13:33:42 <ArtB> AB: ok
13:33:50 <ArtB> Topic: P&C spec: viewmodes proposal
13:33:59 <ArtB> AB: On May 8 Marcos proposed text for the viewmodes attribute (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0515.html). The discussion digressed a bit and I don't believe anyone objected to the proposal. The proposal seems reasonable to me. Marcos, what's the status?
13:34:31 <ArtB> MC: I added my proposal to the spec
13:34:37 <ArtB> AB: any comments on this?
13:34:40 <ArtB> [ None ]
13:34:54 <ArtB> Topic: A&E spec: Red Block Issues in the spec
13:35:11 <ArtB> AB: the latest ED (http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-api/) of the A&E has some Red Block issues. Want to discuss these and get commitments for inputs to address them.
13:36:19 <ArtB> AB: there is a big red block in Section 5 after the Widget interface
13:36:34 <ArtB> MC: this is C+P from an email that pointed out some inconsistencies
13:36:49 <ArtB> ... I need to sync the two specs
13:36:59 <ArtB> AB: need to sync definitions?
13:37:10 <ArtB> MC: definitions and behavior too
13:37:39 <ArtB> AB: is this related to the instantiation thread?
13:37:44 <Marcos> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0461.html
13:37:44 <ArtB> MC: no, that was URI spec
13:38:22 <ArtB> AB: do you need some help on this issue Marcos?
13:38:41 <ArtB> MC: if Arve has some feedback, that would be good
13:38:53 <ArtB> ... I need to review A+E and P+C for consistency
13:39:29 <ArtB> AB: I agree we need consistency but this doesn't seem critical i.e. we could fix during LC
13:39:56 <ArtB> AB: next one is in Section 5.1 viewMode Attr
13:40:16 <ArtB> MC: the definition in this spec is wrong
13:40:37 <ArtB> Arve: what is wrong?
13:41:01 <ArtB> MC: the value of window widget mode is defined in P+C
13:41:20 <ArtB> Arve: this is the result of lacking a Widget UA spec
13:42:02 <ArtB> AB: can we create a "good enuf" solution to get this spec to LC?
13:42:33 <ArtB> MC: we can remove the dependency on P+C and make it on Window Modes spec
13:43:14 <ArtB> ... the depedency in sec 5.1 is wrong and must be updated
13:44:10 <ArtB> AB: what's the priority Marcos of P+C and A+E?
13:44:19 <ArtB> MC: the priority is P+C
13:44:49 <ArtB> AB: Arve, what is your prio to address these A+E issues?
13:45:03 <ArtB> Arve: I can't get to them until May 18 at the earliest
13:45:22 <ArtB> s/May 18/May 19/
13:46:28 <ArtB> ACTION: Barstow send request to the WG to supply inputs for the A+E Red Block Issues
13:46:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-342 - Send request to the WG to supply inputs for the A+E Red Block Issues [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-05-21].
13:46:58 <ArtB> Arve: re the Red Block issue in 5.12, this is straight forward edits
13:47:59 <ArtB> Arve: re the issue in 5.14, I don't understand the issue
13:48:02 <ArtB> MC: I raised it
13:48:26 <ArtB> ... this needs to align with what is spec'ed in P+C
13:48:43 <ArtB> AB: I am unconvinced this needs to be specified
13:49:41 <ArtB> MC: the feature element needs normalization
13:50:30 <ArtB> AB: is there any prior art in the spec world?
13:50:49 <ArtB> JK: the URI spec has some related text. TLR has a view on this.
13:51:14 <ArtB> AB: so how do we move forward on this?
13:51:35 <ArtB> ACTION: Marcos send an email to the mail list re URI normalization
13:51:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-343 - Send an email to the mail list re URI normalization [on Marcos Caceres - due 2009-05-21].
13:52:19 <ArtB> Arve: re ACKS and Norm Refs section, we just need to complete the info
13:52:46 <ArtB> AB: any volunteers to help with these Appendix?
13:52:54 <ArtB> MC: we can fix these after we get to LC
13:53:31 <ArtB> ACTION: Barstow submit input for A+E's Normative References 
13:53:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-344 - Submit input for A+E's Normative References  [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-05-21].
13:54:36 <ArtB> AB: I think the Norm Refs should be completed before LC is published
13:54:40 <ArtB> Arve: I agree
13:54:46 <ArtB> MC: OK; I'll do it
13:56:09 <ArtB> RESOLUTION: we will update A+E's Normative Refs before we publish LCWD
13:56:29 <ArtB> Topic: A&E spec: What needs to be done to before the LCWD can be published?
13:56:43 <ArtB> AB: yesterday I started a thread (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0525.html) to gather a list of issues and actions that must be completed before we can publish a LCWD of the A&E spec. I don't believe there were any responses so we'll take some time now to create that list. Naturally, we don't need to discuss the Red Block Issues in the ED. Arve, Marcos, let's start with you.
13:57:39 <ArtB> MC: I need to do a thorough review
13:57:50 <ArtB> Arve: I also need to do a thorough review
13:58:06 <ArtB> ... I think there are some stylistic issues to make
13:58:13 <ArtB> ... and some editorial changes
13:58:17 <ArtB> ... but no new features
13:58:37 <ArtB> AB: anything else that is mandatory to do before LCWD is published?
13:58:45 <ArtB> [ None ]
13:58:54 <ArtB> Topic: AOB
13:59:02 <ArtB> AB: I don't have anything
13:59:07 <ArtB> ... anyone else?
13:59:15 <ArtB> [ None ]
13:59:21 <ArtB> AB: Meeting Adjourned
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14:00:54 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:00:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-minutes.html ArtB
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14:01:05 <Zakim> IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM has ended
14:01:06 <Zakim> Attendees were Art_Barstow, JereK, [IPcaller], AndyS, Marcos, +47.23.69.aaaa, Marcos/Arve
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14:05:46 <ArtB> zakim, bye
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14:05:52 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-actions.rdf :
14:05:52 <RRSAgent> ACTION: barstow organize a telco for Widgets Security Model on May 18 or 19 [1]
14:05:52 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-irc#T13-31-36
14:05:52 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Barstow send request to the WG to supply inputs for the A+E Red Block Issues [2]
14:05:52 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-irc#T13-46-28
14:05:52 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Marcos send an email to the mail list re URI normalization [3]
14:05:52 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-irc#T13-51-35
14:05:52 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Barstow submit input for A+E's Normative References  [4]
14:05:52 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-irc#T13-53-31
14:06:00 <Marcos> done