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<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009May/0016
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009May/0016
<shadi> http://ericeggert.net/badtf-latest/v2/
wikco: color changes are very obvious
Michael: color contrast is not sufficien
Shadi: likes the design more and more
Wilco: the annotation button does not feel right.
has a different function / purpose
... looks more like a different page than the same page with additional
information
... will the annotations be turned on by default?
Shadi: not yet decided
... should the button concept be different?
eric: feel very unsure about the issue.
<shadi> http://ericeggert.net/badtf-latest/index/index.html
eric: maybe we should move the annotation button out of the box
wilco: possibly
... maybe beneath the meta-nav
Michael: maybe below the meta-nav, right hand side. maybe without a button, but with a kind of post-it icon.
Shadi: maybe we can take the "show annotation" toggle from the old draft and include it in the new one.
action, eric will try another redesign
wilco: do we need an unannotated version?
michael: the annotations mix up with the original code
shadi: an unannotade download might be a solution
eric: do not agree with that idea.
shadi agrees, that there is a need for an unannotated version online. different audiences might need different versions.
<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009May/0015
<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/report
Shadi: progressive disclosure for SC and TECH might be helpful. more information step by step.
Wilco: agrees
zakim unmute me
Michael / Shadi: two cols might be sufficient
Shadi: show details / hide details clear enough? icon?
eric: clear
wilco: icon, mybe in a seperate col might be helpful
shadi: we must not mix between data and layout
eric: the hierarchy is missing
... we might insert headings
Michael: might be possible to remove the table structure? might make the structure simpler
shadi: multidimensional table, breaking the table, nested lists
wilco: single table
... with additional structure
shadi: a lot of people will reuse the format. we need a more generic format. let's go for the single table approach
wilco: separate col for the extra level?
... can show the report they made
<scribe> ACTION: shadi reworks the report format [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-badtf-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: eric will rework meta-nav+# [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-badtf-minutes.html#action02]
<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009May/0018
<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/tmp/survey_before
<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/tmp/survey_after
shadi: the problems and solutions of the versions
described in the email
... remving all the combo boxes might be misunderstood
eric: dont likes the accessible version
eric does not like radiobuttons, no possibility to remove a selected option.
eric: would prefer select boxes
wilco: agrees
... label behind the radio button is a mistake
wilco select makes more sense to select a number.
residence is a good solution
shadi: select vs. radio: for many users combos an
issue.
... radio are better for less options than select
michael: maybe its just the layout
eric: we might need a N/A option
wilco sees no relation to wcag
michael: its a usability issue
shadi: maybe there is an advisiory thecnique on
that
... for q2 and q3 i might reduce the items and implement that as radio buttons
and improve layout.
<scribe> ACTION: shadi will rework that and prepare several solutions for a decision. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-badtf-minutes.html#action03]
eric: remove the reset button
michael: leave the submit button one side and don't open the discussion which is the right(TM) one
shadi: reduced the news page.
eric and wilco like that
wilco: are there plans to include video?
shadi: its on the wishlist
<scribe> ACTION: wilco writes a proposal how to implement it. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-badtf-minutes.html#action04]
<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009May/0017
<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/after/home/
shadi: please send comments to the list.
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