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<glazou> fantasai: : so you'll be on the call?
I think so
unless the connection to w3c is significantly worse than to skype test call
<glazou> Zakim: IPCaller is fantasai
melinda, I made a number of edits to css3-page, but I haven't checked in yet
melinda, don't have net access under linux from here, hopefully will get a chance next week
<melinda> fantasai, k, cool.
<scribe> ScribeNick: fantasai
fantasai doesn't have email access this week
<melinda> fantasai, I may have a few locally that we'll need to merge in...
glazou: deadline for 18th of
March for TPAC was extended to April 2
... The number of groups planning to meet is already above expectations
... joint meeting with SVG Open?
chrisl: That was a fallback if the main meeting didn't go through
glazou: I guess we have to find
another location for the f2f
... We still have time to find another spot for the TPAC
glazou: THere's not enough room at TPAC, too many groups
alexmog: I thought we were going to go with SVG Open because the groups we wanted to meet with weren't going to be at TPAC
chrisl: They downsized the venue
glazou: I was too busy to read
all the comments
... Anybody have anything to add, please ask now
Bert: Is howcome's draft ready
for publication or not?
... GCPM or multicol?
howcome: They're not done yet, will be done next week
fantasai: not done yet
<glazou> shepazu: can you be on the call ?
<glazou> for item 5 on agenda
glazou: anything else?
sylvain: We wanted to know if another CSS2.1 draft would be published soon
sylvain: Also wanted to know if
anything about test suite will be on the agenda for June
... So we know whether to budget in Arron
glazou: June F2F agenda is open
... please suggest something more detailed than just "Test Suite"
... Holiday season starts in June, so please plan your hotels earlyu
glazou: Is this resolved? I saw Sylvain follow-up on this on the mailing list
sylvain: I believed we solved this in Tokyo
glazou: Mozilla and Antenna House posted detailed implementation reports to www-style
<ChrisL> these are for css 2.1, or for 3?
<melinda> Chris, both
glazou: I think David Baron has
in mind some coordination among browsers
... wrt implementation of CSS features for the Web
... I encourage other browser vendors to do the same
... If Opera, Microsoft, Apple can send this information to www-style as well, that would be very cool
glazou: There's a clarification to make in the spec
glazou: Sylvain posted a
... I think David posted something else
glazou: fantasai also said that
she expects a future version of Selectors to accept more in
:not() than a simple selectors
... Sylvain, which proposal do you prefer?
... I think David's proposal is more complete
sylvain: My proposal was just a clarification
glazou: Is everyone ok with David's proposal?
<glazou> #The negation pseudo-class, :not(X), is a functional notation taking a simple selector (excluding the negation pseudo-
<glazou> #class itself) as an argument. It represents an element that is not represented by the argument.
<glazou> #Note: Appending a pseudo-element to a simple selector results in a selector; selectors are not valid negation pseudo
<glazou> #class arguments.
Peter: The note doesn't clarify that a pseudo-element by itself is not a simple selector
fantasai proposese addding a Note that says "SInce pseudo-elements are not simple selectors, they are not a valid argument to :not9)"
minus the typos :)
RESOLUTION: sylvain+fantasai's proposal accepted
Shepazu to summarize
Doug: This basically started as
something regarding transforms and animations
... David Singer thought it would be a good idea for general coordination
... It would also involve animations, transitions, other little issues that might pop up
... I'm just suggesting we make a mailing list
... So we don't have to keep cross-posting
glazou: Dean Jackson says he's ok with a mailing list, but not a sub-group
Doug: THere isn't really any formaility to a task force
chrisl: It's just somewhere that we can post to
Melinda: My question, this has
started off as being specific to 2d-3d transforms
... but then became more general
... If it was just about transofrms, then I wouldn't want to subscribe
... If it's more general, maybe discussion of image-fit/image-scaling
... Then I need to subscribe
... Wheres' the efficiency benefit
ChrisL: It's avoiding cross-posting and diverging threads
glazou: My problem with the
... is that the wg memebers are supposed to keep track of everything that's going on, even if it's not of direct concern to them
Doug: My concern wrt transforms,
... we are both working on different proposals that may end up being the same proposal
... If people are sending feedback ...
... The SVG WG has already gotten feedback about our trnasforms module
... It's got sent to the public SVG mailing list
... At what point are we going to be able to .. I'm concerned that emails going to get sent to both lists
... And we're not going to coordinate
... For SVG group, we just can't track everything that flows throught he www-style list
ChrisL: It's much more efficient for someone from the csswg to subscribe to just the joint task force list, and not to all the svg lists
Doug: For those of us that are
subscribed to both lists, it's a big savings for the SVG group
so we dont' ahve to track everything
... I'm sure you can have the joint mailing list shoved in a filter so it comes to your attention with CSS
... Also, if you're not interested in transforms you don't have to mointor the list for the next few months
Melinda seems to be ok with this
glazou: Open mailing list, or just publicly-viewable
agreement on open
discussion of what David thinks
Doug: For specifications like
transforms and animations and things like that
... That might be the default mailing list for sending comments
... I can understand why csswg might not want that, but just a suggestion. SVG group is ok with that
Melinda: I think if the CSSWG agrees to establish that new mailing list, I don't see why we wouldn't want to direct comments there
Doug: We could have a wiki if we wanted, I dont' think it's necessary
discussion of names for the list
RESOLUTION: Make a joint CSS SVG task force, Doug to set it up, specs of common interest to send comments there, will be *public read-write*
Bert: I think it's time for an
... I think I sent also the changes
... I removed the part about tabbed layout. interesting, but not so urgent... people aren't talking about it at least
... Also updated the title
... That's why I want to publish it
fantasai: I thought it was called Template Layout MOdule?
RESOLUTION: publish updated WD of css3-layout
It was accepted to fix the problem, but not exactly what wording iirc
<glazou> hi mollydotcom
<mollydotcom> am I an hour off again?
<glazou> yes :)
... There were two woriding proposals there
<glazou> mollydotcom: leave the norwegian TZ :)
fantasai: We discussed them and Bert wanted to write another one that was clearer on how the two interact
<mollydotcom> it's the Arizona Time Zone
<CesarAcebal> I'm afraid I have had the same error with the hour than Molly. In Spain we are not still in Summer Time until this weekend. Sorry!
<glazou> np CesarAcebal
fantasai: to answer Sylvain's question, we need to solve this issue before publishing CSS2.1 again, because we regressed the text with the last resolution
Bert summarizes his email
<glazou> fantasai, I can't hear you
fantasai: It shouldn't be limited
... We want all statements to fall under the matching brackets rule
... including @statmeents
... I don't think the reuqirement to "match" brackets and quotes is hard to understand, it's good enough for now I think
... but it needs to apply to statements and to declarations
<scribe> ACTION: everyone come up with an opinion on Bert's email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-css-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - everyone
glazou, dbaron had good comments on those
<glazou> mollydotcom: see above
<ChrisL> it seems to be the usual way to remove things, set the attribute to ""
dbaron's comment: I think this could be tossed out as a "not all requirements are
expressed in the formal grammar". It's a nice-to-have (and perhaps
somewhat complicated to get right, so maybe not worth it), but I
don't think it's a bug in the spec.
glazou: another issue where the
grammar is completed by the prose
... we will always have these sort of things
... not worth the time and complexity grammar to fix
peter: why not fix in css3
glazou: ok, we leave for css3.. but not 2.1
bert: which are you talking about now?
glazou: points bert at url
Bert: So far I havent' seen anything that I would like to change in the grammar
glazou: So Yves posted at least 2
... Specifically about 2.1, do we want to change something?
RESOLUTION: keep grammar and prose as is for 2.1, defer issue to css3
<glazou> ==> tracker
chrisl, could you also make sure last week's minutes made it to the mailing list?
k, thanks :)
<plinss> ChrisL: +1.858 was me, don't know why Zakim listed me twice...
<plinss> same for Howcome, he was +47.21
<Bert> Hi Molly
<mollydotcom> Hi! I just wanted to touch base with you regarding any web site needs
<mollydotcom> I sent an email, but I know you're busy - but I'm available to help
<Bert> Yes, I'm going to answer. I put something on line for you to look at.
<mollydotcom> oh good, if you could just email me now at email@example.com for that, I'll be happy to take a look!
<mollydotcom> I'm trying to streamline all CSS WG related items into that address now
<glazou> it should be møllyh@opera.com
<mollydotcom> I really wanted firstname.lastname@example.org but they couldn't do it
<mollydotcom> my alternative was email@example.com
<mollydotcom> so I figured mollyh was the best middle ground :)
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