W3C

HTML WG Weekly teleconference

26 Feb 2009

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Julian, ChrisWilson, Sam, Matt, Masinter, DanC, +1.519.538.aaaa, dsinger, smedero, cshelly, Murray
Regrets
Joshue
Chair
Chris Wilson
Scribe
DanC

Contents


 

 

<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-02-26 from Chris Wilson on 2009-02-25 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2009) (at lists.w3.org)

:-/

<scribe> scribe: DanC

<ChrisWilson> any additional items to add?

<masinter> IETF coordination?

(we covered IETF coord last week; is there more, larry?)

<ChrisWilson> action-72?

<trackbot> ACTION-72 -- Dan Connolly to monitor progress of testing re 20 Dec HTML 5 spec draft and test materials from WCAG 2 -- due 2009-02-26 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/72

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-72 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

ISSUE-20 (table-headers)

<masinter> (just update, the date/venue seems to be established)

action-72?

<trackbot> ACTION-72 -- Dan Connolly to monitor progress of testing re 20 Dec HTML 5 spec draft and test materials from WCAG 2 -- due 2009-02-26 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/72

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-72 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

DanC: no news in public-html; PF WG co-chair says they're studying for another week
... I tried by phone to figure out details but didn't manage

<dsinger> ...is apologizing that he's late

action-72?

<trackbot> ACTION-72 -- Sam Ruby to monitor progress of testing re 20 Dec HTML 5 spec draft and test materials from WCAG 2 -- due 2009-02-26 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/72

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-72 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

action-72 due next week

<trackbot> ACTION-72 monitor progress of testing re 20 Dec HTML 5 spec draft and test materials from WCAG 2 due date now next week

<ChrisWilson> action-107?

<trackbot> ACTION-107 -- Cynthia Shelly to recruit ARIA joint-TF members -- due 2009-02-26 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/107

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-107 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

ISSUE-35 (aria-processing)

Cynthia: I got responses from a few people
... Andy/IBM, Alexander... gregory, hsivonen... [missing some]

<ChrisWilson> Regrets from Joshue, BTW.

Sam: some of those, e.g. hsivonen, declined, right?

Cynthia: I'm interested in help from Apple safari accessibility folks

Dave: I'm willing to help find somebody in apple; that's not my experties

Cynthia: Opera?

anne? chaals? are you on IRC?

<ChrisWilson> (that is - Cynthia is looking for an Opera person to contribute to this effort)

DanC: I'm particularly interested in test materials related to claims of ARIA support

CW: browsers support ARIA thru different mechanisms, which might complicate testing

DanC: yes, I appreciate the challenge

close action-107

<trackbot> ACTION-107 recruit ARIA joint-TF members closed

<scribe> ACTION: cynthia report progress on ARIA TF due 26 Mar 2009 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/26-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-114 - Report progress on ARIA TF due 26 Mar 2009 [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2009-03-05].

action-114 due 26 Mar

<trackbot> ACTION-114 Report progress on ARIA TF due 26 Mar 2009 due date now 26 Mar

<ChrisWilson> action-110?

<trackbot> ACTION-110 -- Michael(tm) Smith to add note to H:TML draft about what's currently missing and planned to be added -- due 2009-02-26 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/110

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-110 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

ISSUE-59 (normative-language-reference)

Sam: my ACTION-109 depends on ACTION-110 and Mike's work in general

<ChrisWilson> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/110

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-110 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

smedero++

DanC: that looks good enough for me

CW: it's missing [oops; help?]

SR: it's missing the normative status controversy

<ChrisWilson> it's missing what's currently missing and what's planned to be added

so he did make progress. good. I just didn't see his edits of Editor’s Draft 25 February 2009

<ChrisWilson> issue-20?

<trackbot> ISSUE-20 -- Improvements to the table-headers algorithm in the HTML 5 spec -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/20

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-20 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<ChrisWilson> issue-52?

<trackbot> ISSUE-52 -- Respond to XHTML2 WG objections to language in HTML5 draft regarding XHTML1 -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/52

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-52 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

CW: let's leave the XHTML2 thing on Mike until Mike's here to discuss it

action-105?

<trackbot> ACTION-105 -- Sam Ruby to should arrange a meeting between chairs of HTML WG and XHTML2 WG to ensure there is a plan for coordination of vocabularies to avoid incompatibilities. -- due 2009-03-26 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/105

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<ChrisWilson> issue-52?

<trackbot> ISSUE-52 -- Respond to XHTML2 WG objections to language in HTML5 draft regarding XHTML1 -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/52

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-52 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<ChrisWilson> issue-54?

<trackbot> ISSUE-54 -- tools that can't generate <!DOCTYPE html> -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/54

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-54 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

lachy, any news on about: registration?

<ChrisWilson> action-103?

<trackbot> ACTION-103 -- Lachlan Hunt to track registration of about: URI scheme -- due 2009-03-05 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/103

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-103 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<masinter> issue should be 'register' rather than 'track registration'

<masinter> er, Action-103 should be 'register' rather than 'track registration'

no, smedero , you can't change the action without the consent of the issue owner

action, rather

if somebody want to take the 'register' action, very well.

(this is a clear case of PENDING REVIEW, to me...)

"PENDINGREVIEW = An Editor has reviewed arguments and edited spec to taste, or the WG chairs have evaluated the level of consensus and identified one or more proposals that would resolve the issue. In the case where multiple proposals are identified, the Editors may make the determination as to which one to incorporate." -- http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML

<pimpbot> Title: HTML - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)

[some discussion of how to track this about: stuff...]

CW: I added a note...

<ChrisWilson> 2009-02-26 17:26:28: The consensus is likely conditional on the registration being performed. Next action is to get registration; if that doesn't happen we will re-evaluate design. [Chris Wilson]

IETF Coordination

<rubys> http://esw.w3.org/topic/IETF_HTML5_Meeting_March_2009

<Julian> I just checked, and no email has been sent to uri-review w.r.t. "about"

<pimpbot> Title: IETF HTML5 Meeting March 2009 - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)

thanks, julian

LMM: room is booked; let us know if you're coming so we can deal with room size

<Lachy> DanC, no news yet

are you waiting for something, Lachy? just a round-tuit?

<Lachy> I will look into it early next week. It's just a matter of time.

thanks, Lachy

LMM: agenda requests are welcome even for those who don't plan to attend

DanC: my participation is still at risk

talk about TPAC

CW: TPAC is currently scheduled for 1st week of Nov; W3C mgmt is asking for explicit confirmation

close action-113

<trackbot> ACTION-113 Get Sam and Chris to look at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34786/TPAC2009/ closed

<rubys> Grrrr: http://www.us.apachecon.com/c/acus2009/

<pimpbot> Title: ApacheCon US 2009 (at www.us.apachecon.com)

CW: somebody asked where? Santa Clara.
... so I ought to ask the WG who's like to attend

MM: what's the threshold?

CW: well, I hadn't thought about it; given the location, I'm reasonably confident we'll have critical mass

<dsinger> there is probably a magic agenda too (matters that will need a face to face to make progress)

CW: whether to have a meeting depends on agenda too, yes

<dsinger> we are surely meeting. does anyone seriously think we don't need one, or that no-one will be there?

MM: I can imagine a noisy thread on whether to have a meeting

(I think n^2 email is awkward too; WBS is the right tool here.)

<ChrisWilson> Dan, can you set up a WBS poll? Ending next Wednesday, perhaps, so we can confirm by next telecon

<rubys> nah, just set up a wiki page

<gsnedders> dsinger: I don't think there's anyway we won't reach critical mass

<rubys> If Ian, Chris, and I are in a room in the bay area, I expect others will pile one

<dsinger> I agree

rubys, I prefer WBS, but a wiki is OK by me too

<dsinger> we should say "we're meeting; please get agenda topics and attendance info to the chairs"

ISSUE-32 (table-summary)

<scribe> ACTION: Dan set up WBS for HTML WG participants to @@ reTPAC 2009 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/26-html-wg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-115 - Set up WBS for HTML WG participants to @@ reTPAC 2009 [on Dan Connolly - due 2009-03-05].

"Problem statement: some users find navigating tables complicated, and

would like a description of the table so that they can make better use of

the table. Such users might be blind, using an accessibility tool, or

might have cognitive difficulties, or might just be unfamiliar with the

structure of particularly complicated tables."

<rubys> http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.platform/msg/7ff3a663037afc89

<pimpbot> Title: An alternate take on HTML5 - mozilla.dev.platform | Google Groups (at groups.google.com)

DanC: I see 2 messages taking issue with that problem statement... I wonder if it's useful to focus there

MM: the HTML WG seems to think it is responsible for figuring out accessibility, but there are other W3C WGs charged with that...

<dsinger> the pfwg won't tell us what syntax elements and so on to use; the syntax of HTML is ours

<dsinger> we shouldn't tell the pfwg how to manage accessibility, either

<dsinger> we have to talk to each other

<dsinger> I agree

DanC: [hard to scribe and talk...]

MM: W3C already agreed on this (@summary) once; it seems we're recinding that agreement... seems like the burden should be on us to explain why

SR: this call next week... MM, are you planning to be there?

MM: I didn't have plans to, but I'm willing to

action-111?

<trackbot> ACTION-111 -- Sam Ruby to work on process issues re: summary -- due 2009-03-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/111

<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-111 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

Sam: I expect to have progress next week and complete by 30 Mar

Next meeting

DanC: I'm at risk next week [TAG ftf]

<masinter> next week W3C TAG conflicts for me

CW: I'm at-risk too

<dsinger> I am at risk next week also

<ChrisWilson> move adjourn?

Sam: I'll either chair or cancel.

<ChrisWilson> adjourned

<dsinger> thx

<dsinger> maybe not

<pimpbot> Title: HTML WG Weekly teleconference -- 26 Feb 2009 (at www.w3.org)

<pimpbot> Title: HTML WG Weekly teleconference -- 26 Feb 2009 (at www.w3.org)

<pimpbot> Title: HTML WG Weekly teleconference -- 26 Feb 2009 (at www.w3.org)

that's a known Zakim bug; it's not smart enough to prune aaaa out of the list

patches welcome...

http://dev.w3.org/2001/sw/zakim/

<pimpbot> Title: Index of /2001/sw/zakim (at dev.w3.org)

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: cynthia report progress on ARIA TF due 26 Mar 2009 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/26-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Dan set up WBS for HTML WG participants to @@ reTPAC 2009 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/26-html-wg-minutes.html#action02]
 
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Regrets: Joshue
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