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<trackbot> Date: 25 February 2009
<Tina> I'm present on IRC, but in another phone meeting.
Previous: http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-xhtml-minutes.html
<scribe> Scribe: Steven
Roland: We did have a FtF planned.
... But let's talk TPAC
Steven: We've been asked if we will be going
... in our case, those of us who can go, and the rest do it by telephone
Roland: So who will likely come?
<Tina> Where is it?
Shane: California in November? I'd be happy to go
Steven: I'll go
Roland: Not if it were today; don't know yet about November
Steven: November is a difficult time anyway for funding
Markus: I have money for one W3C trip, so I could make it
Tina?
<Tina> Steven: where is the FtF. California is out for me.
OK, California it is
Roland: If it is only 2 or 3 people, then most of us would be by phone anyway
Steven: TPAC is a good opportunity to meet other
WGs though
... Shall we give a lukewarm response to the request then?
Roland: That's the best we can do
Steven: And then FtFs (virtual)
... do we want to plan a long phone call?
Roland: Yes, a couple of days, two 4 hour calls
maybe, to break the back of some of the work
... that would make it easier to find timezone friendly slots
... so how about one in the next month?
Steven: Suits me
... what are people's favoured times
Shane: Honestly doesn't matter
Steven: Anyone else?
Roland: Tuesday and Thursday maybe, pm UTC
... How about one session on Tuesday 17 March?
Markus: Not for me
... in LA the whole week at a conference
... how about 10th
Steven: and the 12th I could do
<Tina> I can do most times/dates.
Roland: Time?
Shane: 13-17 UTC would be fine for me
Steven: OK with me too
<alessio> +1
<Roland> +1
<mgylling> +1
Markus: Preliminary date for the second?
Steven: I can't make the 19th
Roland: We are happy to do it.
... I think it is already in HTML5
Shane: Isn't that only in the XML Serialization?
Roland: Is it in the current PERs?
<mgylling> xml:lang is now allowed in HTML when lang is also specified and they have the same value. In XML lang is allowed if xml:lang is also specified and they have the same value.
Shane: I thought so
<mgylling> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-html5-diff-20090212/
XHTML 1.1 - Module-based XHTML
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/PER-xhtml11-20090206/
XHTML Basic 1.1
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/PER-xhtml-basic-20090206/
XHTML Print
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-print/
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/PER-xhtml-print-20090206/
XHTML 1.0 The Extensible HyperText Markup Language
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/PER-xhtml1-20090218/
Steven: Yes @lang is in there
Roland: So it's in there, nothing we have to do
<Tina> alessio: thank you :)
<alessio> :)
Steven: They have been requested
... waiting for a reply basically
Steven: XHTML2 WG got quite a lot of support
Roland: Deadline 24 March
http://www.w3.org/2009/02/13-hcg-minutes.html
Shane: How could HCG have agreed such a tight timeline?
Steven: Wait, I don't think they did
... their decision to go to last call was after the last HCG meeting
Shane: Tina, are you going to read it?
Tina: I do plan to read, I can do a light review
Shane: Let's talk about it in 3 weeks then
<scribe> ACTION: Tina to lightly review WAI ARIA by 18 March [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-51 - Lightly review WAI ARIA by 18 March [on Tina Holmboe - due 2009-03-04].
<scribe> ACTION: Steven to read WAI ARIA by 18 march [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-xhtml-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-52 - Read WAI ARIA by 18 march [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-03-04].
<ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/HTML-WG-charter
Steven: The HTML5 charter has been rolled back
... there are now two WGs with XHTML1.* in their charter
Shane: I can see why this would be an issue for the AC then
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009Jan/0048.html
<http://webbackplane.com/mark-birbeck/blog/2009/01/rdfa-means-extensibility>
Steven: So there are a number of possible solutions being proposed
Roland: Steven, you were going to write a summary
Steven: I published the url to a first draft last
week
... Already had some good comments from Markus
... and he pointed me to the links above of comments by Mark
Roland: Extensibility is not the essence of
XHTML2 as far as I can see
... it is more *intent*
... separation of concerns
... what goes over the wires is a rendering issue
... the degree of separation is the essence of XHTML2
... which is why it is beneficial to device independence
... we have the opposite view of what to do as HTML5
... not about pixel perfection at the authoring level
[ADJOURN]
no
just 1.*
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