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<kevin> I am here on IRC and about to jump on the conference line.
<john> I can scribe if Kevin wants to chair?
<scribe> scribe: josema
[none]
kevin: met with TimBL at MIT, talked about
challenges
... eGov activity being long term, challenges of our first year
... talked about optimism around Obama
... issues paper important for people like new administration in the US
... to understand importance of open standards, etc.
... Obama also talking about US being recognized as the lead in initiatives
... we need to review charter by May
... setup agenda for next 1-2 years
... overall a good conversation
... Tim to give keynote at TED event, gave him some ideas
... also to Karen Myers, speech to focus on openness and transparency
... start on capitalizing on opportunities with new US Admin.
... also had lunch with KM, talked about our focus on high level issues
... the need of coordination with other Groups at W3C
... the policy vs. technology differences
... the upcoming AC Meeting, much strategic discussion expected
... development vs. deployment, need to get a better and bigger picture
... talked to TimBL about meeting at TWB back in November 2008
... there was discussion about technological issues in developing countries
... financial data, government services
... Tim thinks it was a great brainstorming session, but not many conclusions
yet
... TWB championing eGov architecture in dev. countries??
... need to work with legacy systems, but also long-term planning and new
infrastructure in place
[connection between open government and open standards]
john: interesting how we can make SW work for
Gov
... there are some practical things that are easy to do and can be done
today
... those would be the building blocks for future apps
owen: any specific actions came out of the meeting?
kevin: 1)publish our document, maybe in pieces??,
2)re-charter, 3)asked Tim, others to support our work, 4)funding, emphasized
the importance of our work
... 5)need to outreach in conferences
owen: good, I will think about it and things we could do to support those
kevin: confirmed meeting at AIA, board room can
host up to 65??
... calls are good, but some F2F could also help us focus better
... on where we are, what we should do, how to move forward
... expect it will help energize people
... also taking advantage of new US Admin.
rachel: I'm disappointed because of not getting
more people on calls
... understand all very busy, but this is an important and huge topic
kevin: agree
owen: I presume people are not in calls because
they have more urgent and important things to do
... we should try to reflect the issues they are trying to solve in the
paper
... I think it's because people is busy, not because they are not
interested
[kevin on document authorship]
[jose on authorship, message is coming, sorry for the delay]
john: besides draft, how can we encourage people
to attend?
... we organized a barcamp recently and 150+ people showed up
... seats were gone in just 24 hours??
<ocr> hi all
[jose on lowering barriers as much as possible]
<ocr> sorry for being late - coming from the never ending meeting :(
kevin: yes, room holds 65
... if we could have a very good speaker, that could also help
owen: any idea on who?
kevin: not yet, maybe someone from the Obama
administration
... tried to get one from the campaign to speak at AIA but everybody too busy
right now
owen: obviously the head of technology of his transition Team, but probably a long shot
kevin: I agree
rachel: let me think about it
owen: I'll give it some thought, too
kevin: reaching out to FIRM, so maybe they would
like to participate, too
... thanks Owen for putting us in touch, btw
owen: ok
john: I don't think it would be difficult to get
a bunch of people
... many people interested in discussing pressing issues
... if we can have an easy way for people to figure out how to participate
... we may use some tools
... will use my Twitter
[[/me did this so far:
http://www.w3.org/blog/egov/2009/01/17/egovig_f2f_2
http://www.epractice.eu/document/5372
http://www.govloop.com/events/w3c-egovernment-interest-group
http://events.linkedin.com/pub/29772
]]
kevin: we may have a PR piece that we could circulate to those
<john> like always Jose, one step ahead
jose: what else to do besides that?
kevin: we are doing our best effort, let's outreach to our networks
jose: very much believe we need to get the draft out, and things will change for better
kevin: agree
<john> Have tweeted: http://twitter.com/johnlsheridan/status/1136357938
owen: in my experience, this comes down to 2-3 committed individuals to do the drafting
http://www.w3.org/2009/01/W3C-CEN-eGov-Share-comments
jose: nothing to add, just wanted to have this topic here to let people know
[[ http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Case_10_-_Persistent_URIs
http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Case_11_-_Identification_Authentication
http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Case_12_-_Risk_Management_for_Social_Media
]]
[jose on need for stable location, plans to use RDFa, automate stuff and provide metadata]
[first drafty sketch: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/UseCases/, based on SWEO stuff]
[kevin, john agree]
[jose on difference between use cases and case studies]
jose:many thanks to Martin Alvarez (W3C.es) for helping me put together the stuff!
[john on how government changes and persistence]
john: whitehouse.gov as example, fully changed yesterday
owen: I haven't realized, but I was just trying to find a OMB circular that is not available now
rachel: maybe at a different address than where
it was last night
... still working on two use cases
ACTION rachel to provide use case on social media
<trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Provide use case on social media [on Rachel Flagg - due 2009-01-28].
ACTION rachel to provide use case on "plain language"
<trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Provide use case on \"plain language\" [on Rachel Flagg - due 2009-01-28].
http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/ActivityPlan
[jose on deadlines]
jose: propose 28 February as hard deadline
kevin: ok
john: ok
oscar: also interested in interop
jose: I'm putting john, oscar there
http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open
[most related to use cases, hoping they'll be coming, no more urgent issues there]
next meeting: 4 Feb; 14:00Z
[ADJOURNED]
ACTION-42 - Provide use case on social media [on Rachel Flagg - due 2009-01-28]
ACTION-43 - Provide use case on \"plain language\" [on Rachel Flagg - due 2009-01-28].
[End of minutes]