See also: IRC log
<trackbot> Date: 12 January 2009
<scribe> Scribe: ChrisL
CM: Anthony not here. Assume most folk know where it is, have hotel etc. Will ping him
CL: Will I be able to dial into the meeting? I can't travel
DS: I have a skype phone bridge
and could bring that. Need to call in using skype
... Leonard also may want to dial in
CL: an australian phone number to call would also work for me
issue-2194?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2194 -- Syntax of some list-type attributes in SVG Tiny 1.2 incompatible with those in SVG 1.1 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2194
C: Looked at 1.1 and 1.2T attributes that take lists, also comparing what implementations accept. surprising variability in what they accept
DS: Are they strict or lax?
<heycam> http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/
CM: mainly lax, not requiring spaces. Stared making a table to show the results of this investigation
DS: Please add a key
... need to describe what multiple commas mean
CM: Common to see transform with zero comma-wsp but spec say multiple comma-wsp
CL: Prefer not to specify ,,, as error because we could allow sparse lists
DS: Ikivo had trailing semicolons
as silently ignored
... Need to specify what the unspecified values are if we
define it
CL: Yes it depends what its a list of
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to run tests from http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/ on Bitflash and Ikivo [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2392 - Run tests from http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/ on Bitflash and Ikivo [on Chris Lilley - due 2009-01-19].
This discussion relates to ACTION-2391
<heycam> http://www.w3.org/mid/431565625.20090108194301@w3.org
<heycam> CL: role is already in the rng for 1.2T
<heycam> CL: we need to liaise with WAI people to come up with roles for maps/charts/etc.
<heycam> CL: andreas might be helpful for that, roles for maps
<heycam> CL: less clear who's the community to ask about charts
<heycam> CL: start outreach, find out what the accessibility/domain specific people need
<heycam> CL: i think we should be publishing a note which lists roles to use
<heycam> CL: it's clearly not an exhaustive list, you can come up with new roles
<heycam> CL: for common things, we want them to use these roles we list
<heycam> CL: kicking this off to the IG, at least for the maps one, would be a good idea
<heycam> CL: talk also to semweb people
<heycam> CL: but keep it concrete
<heycam> CL: we need to get the accessibility people to talk to the domain experts, too
<heycam> DS: by accessibility people, WAI members
This relates to ACTION-2036
ACTION-2036?
<trackbot> ACTION-2036 -- Chris Lilley to work with WAI PF for SVG domain-specific role values. -- due 2008-05-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2036
CL: Don't have any actions related to errata
ED; No progress yet on my actions there
JW: Not sure if I do
DS: Not yet
... There was one erratum regarding character cell that you
raised
... we could talk more about that. SVGT1.2 cleans it up,
erratum should use same wording
JW: Sure, we can discuss that
<heycam> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2198
issue-2198?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2198 -- Define the EventTarget for ProgressEvents -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2198
ED: Need to define target of any progress event. We dont ref the spec itself bt also we dont dfefine the target and clearly we should
DS: Liked the wording you proposed
CL: Liked the wording too
ED: So this is a 1.2T erratum?
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to add 1.2T erratum on eventTarget for ProgressEvents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2393 - Add 1.2T erratum on eventTarget for ProgressEvents [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-01-19].
issue-2199?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2199 -- Underlying transform value erratum now conflicts with 1.2T -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2199
CM: Mozilla pointed out that ther eis a conflict
<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#cleanup-wording-underlying-value
CM: erratum came out of discussions with Dr. Olaf. Scale 0 not scale 1. Wording in 1.1e was from 1.2T before we agreed with Olaf. So needs an update
ED: Clear we intended to align with 1.2 so we should update it to match
CL: Its a fairly localised change
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to update 1.1 erratum on underlying transform values to match 1.2T [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2394 - Update 1.1 erratum on underlying transform values to match 1.2T [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-01-19].
DS: Please put that table in the wiki to allow others to collaborate
ED: Tables a pita to create in wiki syntax
CM: Allows easier comparison with what WhatWG is doing there
ED: Have been reading the HTML5 parse algorithm on errors, etc
DS: See they now allow font element, what about metadata
ED: Since they dissaalow other namespaces, you can't put RDF in the metadata element
DS: probably intentional
<heycam> javascript:(function(){%20document.body.innerHTML%20+=%20%22<style>.comment%20{%20color:green;%20font-style:italic;%20display:inline;%20margin-left:0;%20}</style>%22;%20function%20reveal(comment)%20{%20var%20pre%20=%20document.createElement(%22pre%22);%20pre.className%20=%20%22comment%22;%20pre.textContent%20=%20%22<!--%22%20+%20comment.nodeValue%20+%20%22-->%22;%20comment.parentNode.replaceChild(pre,%20comment);%20}%20var%20comments%20=%20document.evaluate(%22//
<heycam> comment()%22,%20document,%20null,%20XPathResult.ORDERED_NODE_SNAPSHOT_TYPE,%20null);%20for%20(var%20i%20=%200;%20i%20<%20comments.snapshotLength;%20++i)%20{%20reveal(comments.snapshotItem(i));%20}%20})()
comment()%22,%20document,%20null,%20XPathResult.ORDERED_NODE_SNAPSHOT_TYPE,%20null);%20for%20(var%20i%20=%200;%20i%20<%20comments.snapshotLength;%20++i)%20{%20reveal(comments.snapshotItem(i));%20}%20})()
CM: Who will take the action to look at what HTML WG parsing proposal is, document it and compare with ours
DS: Their description is pretty hard to follow
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to look at what HTML WG parsing proposal is, document it and compare with ours [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2395 - look at what HTML WG parsing proposal is, document it and compare with ours [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-01-19].
DS: Maybe ask Phillip Taylor about that?
<heycam> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/errata/errata.xml#glyph-d-attr
<heycam> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/errata/errata.xml#asyncstatuscallback-function
CL: First one is obviously correct
CM: Need to clarify that a plain ecmascript funtion rather thana property can be used. Copied text from event listener
ED: Looks good to me
CM: It widens what can be passed, and also btw the test suite already assumes this erratum
Rseolution: both errata are approved
Resolution: both errata are approved
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to add those two errata to the 1.2T errata [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2396 - Add those two errata to the 1.2T errata [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-01-19].
ED: i had a small one about progress events
<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009JanMar/0028.html
I think the omission is an oversight, not a deliberate omission
DS: in favour of adding them
CL: me too
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to add 'loadstart', 'progress' and 'loadend' as animation events [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2397 - Add 'loadstart', 'progress' and 'loadend' as animation events [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-01-19].
CL: Better to say all events are allowed except one that need a contaxt
ED: Such as mousewheel, needs a direction
CL: Doesn't progress itself need a context?
ED: Keyup/down as well
... prgress can be used to indicate progress even if the amount
is not known
DS: In future we might want to add parameters to animations to allow that sort of info to be passeed
ACTION-2373 is obseleted by an action on Erik to copy and then merge in 1.2T fixes
close ACTION-2373
<trackbot> ACTION-2373 Ask Mike Smith to move the tests from old archive to the new archive closed
I dont see eriks action
ED: Due to template changes, diff would be the entire file
CL: Thought we were only diffing the actual group with the test, not the whoole file
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to copy the 1.1 test suite to 1.1SE tests, then diff and merge in any relevant 1.2T fixes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2398 - Copy the 1.1 test suite to 1.1SE tests, then diff and merge in any relevant 1.2T fixes [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-01-19].
Atanas (Tony) Zlatinski
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/users/42284
two of those are old and concern previous discussions on html parsing
close action-2034
<trackbot> ACTION-2034 Draft a proposal for the 3 phase parse model and the SACs based parse model closed
close action-2061
<trackbot> ACTION-2061 Modify the cascading parser diagram closed
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.2/Tiny/ImpReport.html
close action-2260
<trackbot> ACTION-2260 Fix Bitflash implementation to pass fragid tests such as linking-frag-203-t.svg closed
close action-2265
<trackbot> ACTION-2265 Fix Bitflash impl. to pass media-video-202-t closed
close action-2267
<trackbot> ACTION-2267 Fix Bitflash impl to pass styling-inherit-03-t.svg closed
ED: Andy was going to update the spec for publication
close ACTION-2264
<trackbot> ACTION-2264 Fix Ikovo impl. to pass media-video-202-t closed
<scribe> ACTION: Doug see if Niklas wants to finish up MAE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2399 - See if Niklas wants to finish up MAE [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-01-19].
<ed__> ACTION-2269?
<trackbot> ACTION-2269 -- Niklas Hagelroth to look into fixing udom-glob-1 to 3 -- due 2008-10-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2269
see ACTION-2354
ACTION-2354?
<trackbot> ACTION-2354 -- Niklas Hagelroth to have torkel email Doug about MAE -- due 2008-11-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2354
ED we could close ACTION-2269 as we removed the first udom glob test and fixed the other two
close ACTION-2269
<trackbot> ACTION-2269 Look into fixing udom-glob-1 to 3 closed
This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.133 of Date: 2008/01/18 18:48:51 Check for newer version at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/ay/may/ Succeeded: s/dint/dont/ Found Scribe: ChrisL Inferring ScribeNick: ChrisL Default Present: [IPcaller], heycam, ed, ChrisL, jwatt, Shepazu, Erik Present: [IPcaller] heycam ed ChrisL jwatt Shepazu Erik Regrets: Anthony Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/20090112005930.GB22797@arc.mcc.id.au Found Date: 12 Jan 2009 Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html People with action items: cameron chris doug erik if niklas see wants[End of scribe.perl diagnostic output]