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SVG Working Group Teleconference

12 Jan 2009

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
[IPcaller], heycam, ed, ChrisL, jwatt, Shepazu, Erik
Regrets
Anthony
Chair
Cameron
Scribe
ChrisL

Contents


 

 

<trackbot> Date: 12 January 2009

<scribe> Scribe: ChrisL

Sydney F2F update / agenda

CM: Anthony not here. Assume most folk know where it is, have hotel etc. Will ping him

CL: Will I be able to dial into the meeting? I can't travel

DS: I have a skype phone bridge and could bring that. Need to call in using skype
... Leonard also may want to dial in

CL: an australian phone number to call would also work for me

ISSUE-2194: Syntax of some list-type attributes in SVG Tiny 1.2 incompatible with those in SVG 1.1

issue-2194?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2194 -- Syntax of some list-type attributes in SVG Tiny 1.2 incompatible with those in SVG 1.1 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2194

C: Looked at 1.1 and 1.2T attributes that take lists, also comparing what implementations accept. surprising variability in what they accept

DS: Are they strict or lax?

<heycam> http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/

CM: mainly lax, not requiring spaces. Stared making a table to show the results of this investigation

DS: Please add a key
... need to describe what multiple commas mean

CM: Common to see transform with zero comma-wsp but spec say multiple comma-wsp

CL: Prefer not to specify ,,, as error because we could allow sparse lists

DS: Ikivo had trailing semicolons as silently ignored
... Need to specify what the unspecified values are if we define it

CL: Yes it depends what its a list of

<scribe> ACTION: Chris to run tests from http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/ on Bitflash and Ikivo [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2392 - Run tests from http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/ on Bitflash and Ikivo [on Chris Lilley - due 2009-01-19].

This discussion relates to ACTION-2391

RNG for role attribute / definition of roles for SVG

<heycam> http://www.w3.org/mid/431565625.20090108194301@w3.org

<heycam> CL: role is already in the rng for 1.2T

<heycam> CL: we need to liaise with WAI people to come up with roles for maps/charts/etc.

<heycam> CL: andreas might be helpful for that, roles for maps

<heycam> CL: less clear who's the community to ask about charts

<heycam> CL: start outreach, find out what the accessibility/domain specific people need

<heycam> CL: i think we should be publishing a note which lists roles to use

<heycam> CL: it's clearly not an exhaustive list, you can come up with new roles

<heycam> CL: for common things, we want them to use these roles we list

<heycam> CL: kicking this off to the IG, at least for the maps one, would be a good idea

<heycam> CL: talk also to semweb people

<heycam> CL: but keep it concrete

<heycam> CL: we need to get the accessibility people to talk to the domain experts, too

<heycam> DS: by accessibility people, WAI members

This relates to ACTION-2036

ACTION-2036?

<trackbot> ACTION-2036 -- Chris Lilley to work with WAI PF for SVG domain-specific role values. -- due 2008-05-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2036

SVG 1.1 errata / 2ed

CL: Don't have any actions related to errata

ED; No progress yet on my actions there

JW: Not sure if I do

DS: Not yet
... There was one erratum regarding character cell that you raised
... we could talk more about that. SVGT1.2 cleans it up, erratum should use same wording

JW: Sure, we can discuss that

ISSUE-2198: Define the EventTarget for ProgressEvents

<heycam> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2198

issue-2198?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2198 -- Define the EventTarget for ProgressEvents -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2198

ED: Need to define target of any progress event. We dont ref the spec itself bt also we dont dfefine the target and clearly we should

DS: Liked the wording you proposed

CL: Liked the wording too

ED: So this is a 1.2T erratum?

<scribe> ACTION: Erik to add 1.2T erratum on eventTarget for ProgressEvents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2393 - Add 1.2T erratum on eventTarget for ProgressEvents [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-01-19].

ISSUE-2199: Underlying transform value erratum now conflicts with 1.2T

issue-2199?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2199 -- Underlying transform value erratum now conflicts with 1.2T -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2199

CM: Mozilla pointed out that ther eis a conflict

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#cleanup-wording-underlying-value

CM: erratum came out of discussions with Dr. Olaf. Scale 0 not scale 1. Wording in 1.1e was from 1.2T before we agreed with Olaf. So needs an update

ED: Clear we intended to align with 1.2 so we should update it to match

CL: Its a fairly localised change

<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to update 1.1 erratum on underlying transform values to match 1.2T [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2394 - Update 1.1 erratum on underlying transform values to match 1.2T [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-01-19].

SVG in HTML

DS: Please put that table in the wiki to allow others to collaborate

ED: Tables a pita to create in wiki syntax

CM: Allows easier comparison with what WhatWG is doing there

ED: Have been reading the HTML5 parse algorithm on errors, etc

DS: See they now allow font element, what about metadata

ED: Since they dissaalow other namespaces, you can't put RDF in the metadata element

DS: probably intentional

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CM: Who will take the action to look at what HTML WG parsing proposal is, document it and compare with ours

DS: Their description is pretty hard to follow

<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to look at what HTML WG parsing proposal is, document it and compare with ours [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2395 - look at what HTML WG parsing proposal is, document it and compare with ours [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-01-19].

DS: Maybe ask Phillip Taylor about that?

SVG Tiny 1.2 errata to approve

<heycam> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/errata/errata.xml#glyph-d-attr

<heycam> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/errata/errata.xml#asyncstatuscallback-function

CL: First one is obviously correct

CM: Need to clarify that a plain ecmascript funtion rather thana property can be used. Copied text from event listener

ED: Looks good to me

CM: It widens what can be passed, and also btw the test suite already assumes this erratum

Rseolution: both errata are approved

Resolution: both errata are approved

<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to add those two errata to the 1.2T errata [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2396 - Add those two errata to the 1.2T errata [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-01-19].

ED: i had a small one about progress events

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009JanMar/0028.html

I think the omission is an oversight, not a deliberate omission

DS: in favour of adding them

CL: me too

<scribe> ACTION: Erik to add 'loadstart', 'progress' and 'loadend' as animation events [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2397 - Add 'loadstart', 'progress' and 'loadend' as animation events [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-01-19].

CL: Better to say all events are allowed except one that need a contaxt

ED: Such as mousewheel, needs a direction

CL: Doesn't progress itself need a context?

ED: Keyup/down as well
... prgress can be used to indicate progress even if the amount is not known

DS: In future we might want to add parameters to animations to allow that sort of info to be passeed

Test suite infrastructure

ACTION-2373 is obseleted by an action on Erik to copy and then merge in 1.2T fixes

close ACTION-2373

<trackbot> ACTION-2373 Ask Mike Smith to move the tests from old archive to the new archive closed

I dont see eriks action

ED: Due to template changes, diff would be the entire file

CL: Thought we were only diffing the actual group with the test, not the whoole file

<scribe> ACTION: Erik to copy the 1.1 test suite to 1.1SE tests, then diff and merge in any relevant 1.2T fixes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2398 - Copy the 1.1 test suite to 1.1SE tests, then diff and merge in any relevant 1.2T fixes [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-01-19].

Actions for people no longer active in WG

Atanas (Tony) Zlatinski

http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/users/42284

two of those are old and concern previous discussions on html parsing

close action-2034

<trackbot> ACTION-2034 Draft a proposal for the 3 phase parse model and the SACs based parse model closed

close action-2061

<trackbot> ACTION-2061 Modify the cascading parser diagram closed

http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.2/Tiny/ImpReport.html

close action-2260

<trackbot> ACTION-2260 Fix Bitflash implementation to pass fragid tests such as linking-frag-203-t.svg closed

close action-2265

<trackbot> ACTION-2265 Fix Bitflash impl. to pass media-video-202-t closed

close action-2267

<trackbot> ACTION-2267 Fix Bitflash impl to pass styling-inherit-03-t.svg closed

MAE

ED: Andy was going to update the spec for publication

close ACTION-2264

<trackbot> ACTION-2264 Fix Ikovo impl. to pass media-video-202-t closed

<scribe> ACTION: Doug see if Niklas wants to finish up MAE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2399 - See if Niklas wants to finish up MAE [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-01-19].

<ed__> ACTION-2269?

<trackbot> ACTION-2269 -- Niklas Hagelroth to look into fixing udom-glob-1 to 3 -- due 2008-10-09 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2269

see ACTION-2354

ACTION-2354?

<trackbot> ACTION-2354 -- Niklas Hagelroth to have torkel email Doug about MAE -- due 2008-11-27 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2354

ED we could close ACTION-2269 as we removed the first udom glob test and fixed the other two

close ACTION-2269

<trackbot> ACTION-2269 Look into fixing udom-glob-1 to 3 closed

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Cameron to look at what HTML WG parsing proposal is, document it and compare with ours [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Cameron to add those two errata to the 1.2T errata [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Cameron to update 1.1 erratum on underlying transform values to match 1.2T [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris to run tests from http://mcc.id.au/2009/01/svg-list-attributes/ on Bitflash and Ikivo [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug see if Niklas wants to finish up MAE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to add 'loadstart', 'progress' and 'loadend' as animation events [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to add 1.2T erratum on eventTarget for ProgressEvents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to copy the 1.1 test suite to 1.1SE tests, then diff and merge in any relevant 1.2T fixes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/12-svg-minutes.html#action07]
 
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