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<trackbot> Date: 08 January 2009
<ed> Scribe: shepazu
<ed> Scribenick: shepazu
ed: several possible
... errata, filters, layout, compositing, modules, next version of the spec...
... what's happening with Print spec?
ChrisL: Print spec is suffering
from lack of implementations...
... open source folks are interested in the color profiles
ed: how can we speed up the process?
ChrisL: I've talked to folks from
Scribus and Inkscape, but they are worried about the spec
changing under them
... they got burned before with the textflow stuff we changed to please to the browser vendors
ed: what phase is it in?
shepazu: let's move it to CR
<ChrisL> ended Feb 2008. Next step is CR
ed: yes, we'll add that to the
... any other topics?
heycam: I'm going to try to write up some layout stuff to discuss concretely
ed: do we need to publish another snapshot of (more tests) of the SVG Tiny 1.2 testsuite anytime soon?
heycam: good question, I've been looking at bugs and we do need to make some fixes to the test suite
shepazu: we do need more tests,
but maybe new implementers can help contribute tests
... I think we need to put a priority on 2.5D and other things that we are coordinating with the CSS WG on
ChrisL: some of the CSS proposals
have been checked into CVS
... Bjoern has remarked that they are underspecified
ed__: I will put those agenda items on the wiki page
<trackbot> ISSUE-2181 -- Look at Solutions for 'filter' Property Conflict with IE Filters -- OPEN
ed__: I couldn't find WG discussion about this
ChrisL: there was discussion on the public lists about this
[chris summarizes public discussions]
ed_work: we should coordinate with CSS and HCG on this
shepazu: and the HTML WG
heycam: IE is making changes in IE8, we should look at that
ed_work: they are now supporting -ms-filter, too, so that's a step in the right direction
me @ChrisL: can you rejoin?
<ed__> element.style.filter = "foobar"
<ed__> some people "detect IE" by checking if element.style.filter is defined
shepazu: let's talk about this at the f2f
ChrisL: my suggestion is that we
find out what hackers are doing when using that hack, and give
them a better way to do it
... this is not something that happens in a stylesheet, it's a test in script
<ChrisL> its used to do opacity, and transparency in PNG images. Its only for old versions of IE, too - IE7 and up do PNG correctly
ChrisL: and otherwise just hide the filters test when it's only a test
ed_work: I think your proposal is
the best way forward
... and we could push IE to drop the proprietary filter thing
I need to finish all those actions
ed__: we should set aside time to
finish this up at the F2F
... and publish the errata and SVG1.1 2nd edition
... it would be nice to have all the errata done before then
... it would require new tests
... is that too optimistic
ChrisL: we've been going through them quickly
ed__: we could triage them and do some of them in the next version of the spec
ChrisL: it would be useful to have a 2nd ed, especially where it brings it into line with SVG 1.2
ChrisL: going forward, we should just be use the same syntax for all lists: optional comma, optional space
shepazu: heycam and I had come to a similar conclusion
ChrisL: I noted that you wanted
to make exception for URIs
... since they can have commas in them
... but IRIs can also have spaces
... so a better solution is simply to require that spaces and commas be escaped
ed__: should we make this an errata item for SVG 1.1?
shepazu: we would be changing conformance criteria for SVG 1.1 UAs?
ChrisL: yes, but older content would still be conforming
shepazu: and ASV is less relevant now...
ChrisL: and has been for some time
heycam: so this affects the 1.2 errata... it should now say any combination of comma or whitespace
shepazu: what about viewBox?
heycam: in the DOM, it's exposed
as an animated rect, but in the spec it's a list of numbers,
and that it has to have 4 members
... so it's not an arbitrary list of values
shepazu: that's also the case for transforms
<ed__> Proposed resolution: for 1.2T the 'g1', 'g2' and 'glyphname' attributes can be comma-whitespace separated
heycam: how about using "list of xml names"?
ChrisL: that wouldn't allow a digit at the beginning
<ed__> for the 'u1' attribute : Comma is the separator character; thus, to kern a comma, specify the comma as part of a range of Unicode characters or as a glyph name using the 'g1' attribute.
shepazu: but uDOM is typed, which list of string doesn't give us
<heycam> heycam: we state explicitly in the udom appendix what types different xml attributes are exposed as, so changing the attribute list syntax in use by a particular attribute shouldn't affect that
shepazu: I'd like to check that this is okay with SVG 1.1 implementers
heycam: we could start by compiling a list of affected attributes
shepazu: smil semicolon-separated values are essentially lists of lists; that could be a datatype
we will propose changing values in SVG 1.1 to use a uniform list style, research what changes this would entail, and get feedback from SVG 1.1 implementers
Resolution: we will propose changing values in SVG 1.1 to use a uniform list style, research what changes this would entail, and get feedback from SVG 1.1 implementers
trackbot, end telcon
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