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<frank> hello everybody - frank on irc only
<Daniel> I am on the call, can you hear me ? probably mic is some problmatic via skype...
<joakim> felix: Joakim became co-chair
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Future telephone conferences and f2f meetings / call time
<joakim> Next call 2 December
<joakim> Felix plan to update agenda in next two weeks
<Daniel> can we ask who will be participating this upcoming f2f on the IRC ?
<joakim> Update agenda on Wiki if you miss something
<Daniel> my mic is not working...:-(
<Ruben> I will participate on the IRC
<DrErnie> What's the date/ time zone for the F2F meeting?
<cgi-irc> I will participate on IRC
<Daniel> I will
<tobiasb> I will be in Ghent
<davy> I will also be in Ghent
<wonsuk> I will
<DrErnie> sorry, too early for me. :-)
<pchampin> not sure yet
<pchampin> if I do, that will be on IRC
<frank> I will be in Ghent too
<Ruben> Victor will be in Ghent representing the "UPC gang"
ACTION-20 - ongoing
ACTION-22 - ongoing, waiting for Karen
<Daniel> not yet, I will do asap
ACTION-33 - ongoing
<trackbot> ACTION-37 Write a mail about the general structure of the use cases / req document closed
<trackbot> ACTION-38 Draft a first agenda for the f2f meeting closed
<trackbot> ACTION-39 Put description about transmission cc in Wiki closed
<trackbot> ACTION-40 to send around an exemple of what she means with "plugging into complex model" closed
<trackbot> ACTION-41 Look into the MPEG API closed
<veronique> it is fine with me
<veronique> the structure wold be clear
<Daniel> one think that I have a direction is to make a usecase&req draft as simple as possible
<joakim> Veronique can make the change to new documetn strucutre
<veronique> Me and Wonsuk will change the structure
<joakim> Lets spend time on document during f2f
<Daniel> it's very useful. yes we will be able to spend much time for this discussion in Ghent
<joakim> Ruben commented the feature table
<pchampin> I think a line may be missing from the table
<joakim> The table can serve as a template for everyone to edit
<joakim> One line might be missing: the issue of annotating fragments
<joakim> Or is it realted to the Media fragments group?
<veronique> are there description properties that are valid only for fragments of media documents?
<Ruben> like SegmentDecomposition in MPEG-7
<joakim> Ruben thinks media fragments should be considered
<joakim> Identify fragments such as charcaters or an emotion in a scene
<Ruben> Well I did not say that, I'm just trying to understand Pierre-A...
<joakim> exchange metdata independent of the media
<joakim> Pierre-Antoine Champin will summerize his thoughts
"The main focus of our group is video. We are also looking into other
multimedia vocabularies, including ID3. However, I cannot tell (yet) to
what extend these will be taken into account."
<Daniel> my thought is. video (and partially audio) is in-scope, music/image/text is out-of scope, any thoughts ?
<Daniel> sorry, I can't speak out using mic yet...pls be patient
<veronique> why would image and music be out of scope (particularly if audio is in scope)..
<frank> what daniel wants to say is: we focus on temporal media only?
<veronique> I agree with video as a priority
<joakim> Felix: Video is in the center, but we might take other modalities into account
<frank> audio should really be in there
<veronique> but audio and images standards are quite close on some aspects
<veronique> that's why I do not see images as "out of scope"
<Daniel> just trying to make a clear definition of *video*
joakim: think we should also images into account, since there are many image files available. Would be not good to disregard them
<Daniel> I agree with Joakim's concern, yeah seems to be also complex. I'd propose an email discussion on the list later. I will post
<Daniel> OK, after email discussion, then I will wrap up that and go to f2f
<joakim> P-A: Inorder to decide if we need strucutre or flat model we should construct a conceptual model first
<joakim> We should decide if we need a syntax
<joakim> in that case keep the syntax simple
<joakim> We need a mixture of structured and flat model
<joakim> A conceptual model could help avoiding repeating propoerties
<joakim> we deicde based on the use case document
<Ruben> Victor is not here
<Daniel> yeah, victor is not here, so let's move that on the mailing list or next call
<Daniel> XMP review will be part of f2f agenda.
<joakim> Flickr machine tags are interesting because they are flat
<joakim> Not using a name space but a prefix
<joakim> Should we investigate flickr machines tags closer?
<veronique> the approach sounds interesting, even if images are not the primary focus of the WG
<Daniel> are somebody take this as a new ACTION ITEM ?
<pchampin> i can do that
<Daniel> ok, it's just boilerplate issue
<Daniel> last question before closing
<Daniel> are you all ok this call time ?
<veronique> well, it is quite late here...
<wonsuk> It's very early to me.
<Daniel> I saw may regrets since it's too late...what do you think ? shall we change ?
<Daniel> OK, Joakim and myself will make some alternative for the call time
<veronique> but there has been a vote about this schedule, no?
<Daniel> we can vote our schedule whenever we want...:-)
<Daniel> thanks, and see you next call
<Daniel> minutes draft