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SVG Working Group Teleconference

10 Oct 2008

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Attendees

Present
[IPcaller], ed, Doug_Schepers, anthony, lmartine
Regrets
Chair
Erik
Scribe
anthony

Contents


 

 

<trackbot> Date: 10 October 2008

<ed> http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Overview.html

<ed> we'll work on actions and read the LC comments and dial in in half an hour

<shepazu> I'm here... anything I can do? how are the Dr. Olaf comments going?

<ed> we're reading them...

<ed> if you haven't please do so, we'll dial in in 10 mins

<ed> I think ISSUE-2082 is something me might be able to move to core

<shepazu> k

<ed> he's right though, auto sucks if we followed what is in the spec ;)

<scribe> scribe: anthony

Last Call Comments

ISSUE-2082

<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2082

ISSUE-2082?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2082 -- attributeType auto -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2082

ED: I think he's right
... I think this is something we could postpone for SVG Core instead
... because I'd like to make tests for this to figure out what would be the most use friendly
... with his example it shows that a CSS width and height may not apply to a rect

AG: How would you change it?
... you'd have to reword it I guess
... I reckon put it on hold and move to the next one

DS: Same wording as 1.1
... so what's the reason for putting it off?

ED: CSS styling is not required for Tiny
... and we haven't tested what implementations are doing

DS: We will address this in Core time frame

<scribe> ACTION: Anthony to Draft a response for ISSUE-2082 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/10-svg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2289 - Draft a response for ISSUE-2082 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-17].

Resolution: We agree with the comment, but we will address it in Core where it is more relevant

ISSUE-2083

ISSUE-2083?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2083 -- Paced animation and complex types -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2083

ED: I think we have made some fixes
... what worries me he says we have two tests for calc mode paced
... and they are incorrect
... we currently have two implementations passing those
... All implementations pass animate-elem-82
... if what he's saying is correct is we have to change the specs or the tests (and then get implementations to pass)

<ed> ...majority of impls. pass animate-elem-53

<scribe> scribe: anthony

DS: I'm wondering if implementations would pass his alternative

ED: I guess we can dig it up

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2007JanMar/0646.html

<shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2006Aug/0037.html

<shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2007Jan/0041.html

<shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2007Jan/0036.html

<shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2007Jan/0040.html

DS: Considering we are planning on doing improved animation in the future perhaps this is something we could address later on

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2007JanMar/att-0646/scalepaced01.svg

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2007JanMar/att-0646/translatepaced01.svg

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2007JanMar/att-0646/rotatepaced01.svg

ED: Those are tests for paced animations
... I think that's what he's talking about when he submitted some tests on the list
... but those haven't been reviewed

DS: So what are we going to do about the issue?

ED: Would be good if Cameron were here to look at it
... I'll send an email to Cameron
... if the tests are incorrect we'll either have to change them or remove them

ISSUE-2084

ISSUE-2084?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2084 -- 16.2.9 values attribute 'extended syntax' -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2084

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0004.html related?

<shepazu> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/animate.html#Inheritance ?

<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2010

ED: There is an ISSUE-2010 for 1.1. which is close

<ed> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/animate.html#ValuesAttribute

ED: He is commenting on the second paragraph on the values list

<shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/animate.html#ValueAttributes

DS: What existing content are we talking about here? Is this is something generated by one of the authoring tools?

ED: I think so. I think Cameron made some tests for this

AG: I do recall a discussion on this

DS: Didn't we decide this didn't matter that much

ED: So he's saying we should remove that paragraph all together

DS: That's what it looks like

ED: Just wondering if we'd have trouble by removing that

DS: I think we decided it didn't have a strong use case to object to use correcting the error here
... and we knew that there was content out there because of authoring tools
... I'm tempted to reject the comment saying that we've already discussed this and that it is a less than ideal solution in the spec
... but it's due to auto generation of content rather than hand authored
... it's something we can revisit at a later date

RESOLUTION: We've already made a decision on this issue to accommodate output from existing authoring tools and we may revisit it later

<scribe> ACTION: Doug to Reply to Dr. Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2084 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/10-svg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2290 - Reply to Dr. Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2084 [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-10-17].

Implementation Matrix

<shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/results/TestFestOttawa.html

DS: There are 20 tests that are at risk
... implementations that fix them should go ahead an update this HTML matrix
... and then we will spot test verify at TPAC

<shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Anthony to Draft a response for ISSUE-2082 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/10-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to Reply to Dr. Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2084 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/10-svg-minutes.html#action02]
 
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