SVG Working Group Teleconference -- 09 Oct 2008

<trackbot> Date: 09 October 2008

http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/

<scribe> scribe: erik

<scribe> scribeNick: ed

Tests that depend on NOT_SUPPORTED_ERR exceptions from TraitAccess

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0016.html

ED: future specs may allow it

<anthony> scribe: anthony

<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2094

ED: This issue is related for trait access on animation elements
... is this something we should allow?
... would it give any effect if you didn't throw an exception?

LM: Not sure

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Oct/0028.html

ED: [Explains Opera behavior]
... the above link is somewhat related
... not sure on the best way to solve this

AG: What's he recommending?

ED: He suggests that set trait should not throw
... but no indication as to what to change the behavior to
... would be good to have a clear resolution that addresses this comment

LM: How many sub-cases involved?

ED: 3 or 4 tests
... I think 1 or 2 of those are just because of this requirement
... what I could do is go through and review those tests
... I'd like to remove the tests that rely on the exceptions
... and wait for feedback
... if there is no feedback we can wait for the next version

LM: Fine with me

<scribe> ACTION: Erik to Remove the sub tests from the trait tests that relies on not supported error to be thrown [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2282 - Remove the sub tests from the trait tests that relies on not supported error to be thrown [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-16].

Implementation report

ED: We have a report in CVS

<ed> bitflash now passes styling_inherit_03, linking-frag-203

<ed> opera now passes udom-glob-203 and 204

<ed> and by changing udom-glob-202 to use new Location syntax three implementations pass (firefox, opera, safari)

ED: When do we expect to make the final report?

DS: We are doing that at TPAC

ED: We have a few tests at risk but much less than before
... did we want to postpone verification at TPAC?
... it would probably be a good idea to keep this updated

<scribe> ACTION: Doug to convert the Xls spread sheet into HTML [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2283 - Convert the Xls spread sheet into HTML [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-10-16].

DS: We can update the chart then verify at TPAC

Last Call Comments

<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11

ISSUE-2064?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2064 -- type or typeof? -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2064

ED: I completed an action to make type animatable for image, audio and video
... that's committed and done
... not sure if that address all of his comment

DS: Didn't I have an action to respond once that was done?

ED: Ok, can move on then

ISSUE-2066?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2066 -- datatype (5.10.1) -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2066

DS: I think I did resolve this

ISSUE-2068?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2068 -- focusHighlight must be inheritable -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2068

DS: I have an action about this
... and we decided not to change it

ISSUE-2073?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2073 -- inverse and constrained transformations -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2073

ED: He's asking what happens with animation if you get a non-invertable matrix
... I guess it is possible animating between values

AG: Not sure

ED: Would somehow have to get a rounding value that works

DS: Does have a suggestion about what we should do

ED: From what I read he's suggesting to test it first

AG: Wouldn't that slow you down for a large animation

ED: Might be a good idea to ask for examples or tests
... if you have a non-scaling stroke you might see this
... I think he's right about that

AG: We could put a warning in

ED: He has suggested to put a warning in for authors

DS: I'd suggest we put a warning in

<scribe> ACTION: Anthony to Put a warning in the spec regarding non-invertable matrices when animating transforms. Email back Dr Hoffmann [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2284 - Put a warning in the spec regarding non-invertable matrices when animating transforms. Email back Dr Hoffmann [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-16].

ISSUE-2062?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2062 -- foreignObject content and referenced resource -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2062

ED: His second and third points are left to discuss
... I agree fully with the 2nd point there
... the spec has no description on this
... I think that if you have xlink:href then you render that
... then if you don't render child content
... I think Chris has an action to address the first point and part of the 2nd

DS: It's completely unspecified what happens
... we're essentially adding functionality here
... seems unreasonable to me

ED: It's not really testable though
... can't really rely on it being handled
... I'd probably prefer it to be defined rather than undefined

DS: I'm not sure it was a good idea to add the xlink:href attribute

AG: Not sure if we can remove it

<scribe> ACTION: Erik to Clarify the second point of Issue-2062 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2285 - Clarify the second point of Issue-2062 [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-16].

ED: The third part is about how it doesn't create it's own viewPort
... I'm not sure really what to do there
... was this something we decided a long time ago?

DS: No idea
... but it seems to me it should

ED: I agree

AG: Is that a new feature then?

DS: We could say it's not for Tiny because we don't let things establish new viewPorts in Tiny

ED: Chris had an action about restricting foreignObject
... I'd prefer to align with 1.1

DS: Are you saying it should establish it's own viewPort in Tiny?

ED: I think it should
... but how it is used by the foreign content is up to the foreign content
... it'd be kind of strange if foreignObject could be drawn anywhere without any defined area

DS: Yes it would be strange - but do we have anything else that defines its own viewPort in Tiny?

ED: We have animation

DS: Are we going to need to make tests for this?

ED: Quite difficult because it's foreign content

DS: My concern is passing implementations for this

LM: We do do foreignObject handling
... not sure what our status is about viewPort though
... we do handle it to some degree

ED: So Opera does handling
... there is handling in FF
... but not with the xlink:href

LM: I think we'd have to create a test to find out what everyones status is

ISSUE-2074?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2074 -- WAI-ARIA use of @role as discussed under 'extensible metadata attributes' -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2074

DS: I've replied to Al
... I've changed the spec to use the modified version of his wording
... hopefully we'll get a reply back

ISSUE-2076?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2076 -- should @role in SVG be animatable? -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2076

DS: I've replied to Al
... I explained why I think it should be animatable
... not sure if this is a satisfactory answer to him

ISSUE-2077?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2077 -- font-variant not animatable -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2077

ED: This is pretty simple

<scribe> ACTION: Erik to Change font-variant so that it is animatable and send a reply email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2286 - Change font-variant so that it is animatable and send a reply email [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-16].

ISSUE-2079?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2079 -- Better specify the effects of audio and rendering -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2079

DS: I have an action I haven't completed on this yet

ED: It's pending review
... is it completed?

DS: No will be finished today

ISSUE-2080?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2080 -- Clarify focusable=auto -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2080

ED: This comment was raised in the Test Fest
... I did make changes to clarify the behavior
... I think Niklas raised the issue
... I can mail the list and check if my change is ok

ISSUE-2081?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2081 -- target element for an animation -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2081

DS: He does make a suggestion about what to do
... we should hold off until tomorrow and everyone should read his issues before then

ISSUE-2087?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2087 -- Replace gotoLocation with a subset of Window.location -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2087

ED: I raised
... I have committed the proposed changes to the spec
... and got feedback from Cameron and made fixes
... All I need is feedback to say this is ok and to commit test chagnes

<ed> ACTION: ed to change udom-glob-202 to use Location.assign instead of gotoLocation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2287 - Change udom-glob-202 to use Location.assign instead of gotoLocation [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-16].

ED: If there are no objections now, I will close the issue and change the tests

ISSUE-2090?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2090 -- @aria-foo atributes: un-prefixed, forbidden? -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2090

DS: I responded to Al
... waiting to hear back

ISSUE-2081?

<trackbot> ISSUE-2081 -- target element for an animation -- RAISED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2081

ED: He has a suggestion
... I'd be fine with the first suggestion
... I'd be ok with the second one as well
... He raises a last question what would the applicable target element would be
... Doing the changes would be pretty simple

<scribe> ACTION: Anthony to Make changes as per the suggestions by Dr Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2081 and send a reply email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2288 - Make changes as per the suggestions by Dr Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2081 and send a reply email [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-16].

ISSUE-2082?

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SVG Working Group Teleconference

09 Oct 2008

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Contents

Tests that depend on NOT_SUPPORTED_ERR exceptions from TraitAccess

Implementation report

Last Call Comments

Summary of Action Items

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