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Daniel reviews the agenda
daniel: no need to go through all open issue, we can go through them briefly and continue discussion via mail
RESOLUTION: minutes approved
next scribe will be Hui
Daniel: we will have an alternating schedule, see upcoming calls at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin
... at TPAC, we will have a joint meeting with PLING IG
... in Belgium we will have a joint meeting with media fragment WG
no update for now
<trackbot> ACTION-1 Book the bridge for the weekly telecon closed
<trackbot> ACTION-2 Give a cvs access to Daniel and to the editors closed
<trackbot> ACTION-3 Prepare the editing environment including templates, directories, etc. closed
<trackbot> ACTION-4 Pull out requirements of one standard (to be decided which), AI also for Erik closed
Veronique had sent information on IPTC, and we will not keep this general action item
<VeroniqueM> I could also participate in editing, but I have very few experience with this...
tobias: I can edit later
daniel: we will be a team
felix: every editor will edit each deliverable
<hmiao> i would like to join editing, though i've little experience.
<spark3> Hui and tobias are volunteers for editing team as of today
<raphael> There is an open questionnaire regarding the formats in scope and out of scope, could we keep it open one more week ?
<hmiao> anyone mension the youtube like video yet ?
<hmiao> it'll be an important format for our application
daniel: propose that we go through the issues until next teleconference via mail, and try to wrap them up during that call, and work on the editors draft just after that
<VeroniqueM> would it make sense to link the use cases with requirements lists more specifically?
<spark3> Raphael, yes, we will open for all of open issue until next telecon
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to extend "formats ... scope" for one more week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Extend \"formats ... scope\" for one more week [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-30].
<VeroniqueM> this might hep us getting a list of requirements?
<VeroniqueM> maybe we can make a short list of the use cases, just by their names?
Use case "Services by using an unified media annotation"
Use case "Video on IPTV" - should that be merged into another use case?
<wbailer> yes, merge with services
Requirement "Covering variations across locales"
<spark3> it's requirements, yes
<wbailer> yes, it's maybe related to adaptation use case?
<VeroniqueM> or to interoperability?
Use case "Audiovisual archive as a Cultural Heritage institution"
<wbailer> yes, as mentioned on the list it might be broad and could be more concrete
veronique: well, it was more a general view than a specific usecase, but can be splitted into searching and interoperability
Use case "Metadata to help promoting safe environments"
<VeroniqueM> can be related to personalisation, to some extent?
Felix: should it be a separate use case? Or
<wbailer> agree to relate it to other uc
Felix: be related to something else
<tobiasbuerger> we could also merge it with the services use case...
<erik> agree to relate it
Use case "Multi media and semantic web technologies"
<tobiasbuerger> This is too broad I guess and not meant as a use case. Yes - please drop it
drop this since it is too broad?
Use case "Photo" - should we take this into account?
<raphael> Does the charter talk only about videos ?
<VeroniqueM> has this not be covered by the XG?
<spark3> isn't it related to Multimedia Annotation XG ?
<VeroniqueM> Image annotation I mean
<raphael> No, the role of the XG was not to promote a particular schema or ontology for describing media
<wbailer> yes, but somehow it'orthogonal: media types vs application like searc etc
"This Group is chartered to provide a simple ontology to support cross-community data integration of information related to media objects on the Web, as well as an API to access the information."
(from the charter)
<raphael> ... but rather to investigate how SW technologies help to build bridges between exixting formats and standards
daniel: our homepage talks about video, audio and images
<raphael> ... so my conclusion is, there is still a lot to do to make the DC for photos, or videos
<tobiasbuerger> +1, Raphael. Agree.
Use case "music" - should we take this into account?
daniel: not sure
<raphael> Same conclusion, the pseudo-formalization of the ID3 tags using the Music Ontology is interesting and might be a good start up
raphael: "same conclusion" means: valid use case?
<VeroniqueM> not sure either, lots of very specific issues would then be taken into account
<VeroniqueM> ok to Raphael
<wbailer> but music ontology is quite specific, we should stay on a more generic level
<raphael> Yes, valid use case, I think ... in the sense that your title property would be likely to be used for a title of a movie or a song
<raphael> ... and a link to the ID3 title is a good thing, etc.
<raphael> agree for the music ontology, I'm talking about reusing some elements ... and link to some others
Felix: sounds like a valid use case but on a very general level
<wbailer> providing means for linking seems to be a good idea
Use case "News"
<raphael> I see the outcome of this group as a core schema, with a lot of open windows to standards, with explicit semantics
<VeroniqueM> that's a very complex and very interesting use case! Vote for yes
<raphael> News: not in the state that it is described in the XG document .. but yes in the general sense
<wbailer> yes, i see the same thing as for music: avoid getting too specific
Use case "Tagging"
<VeroniqueM> in what sense?
<spark3> tagging for what ?
<VeroniqueM> as values for a schema?
<VeroniqueM> or instead of it?
<tobiasbuerger> what it was about: "The tagging use case which tackles the problem of interoperability and portability of tagging systems and personal tags."
<raphael> Goal of the XG was to allow reusing a personomy between various platforms
<raphael> ... example: you use the same flickr tags on delicious
<wbailer> merge it with interop?
<raphael> ... you own your tags, defined in SKOS, and you can search cross-platform
<VeroniqueM> in that case, makes sense
<VeroniqueM> if you define them
<raphael> ... each tags has a global URI and is formally defined
Felix: maybe we will not be able to solve that interoperabiltiy problem, only on a very high level of the ontology, and leave the rest to other fora
Use case "semantic media analysis"
Felix: too general - close that?
<tobiasbuerger> I guess we should take some aspects into accout...
<wbailer> agree, analysis is done for search, adaptation ,...
<tobiasbuerger> ...like links between modalities
<VeroniqueM> like semiotic relations between speech and image in a video?
tobias: how text can support the analsys of media. This use case is about references between text and parts of the image
felix: do you think the relations should be typed and part of the ontology?
felix: let's discuss this via mail
Use case "algorithm representation"
felix: out of scope - drop it?
<raphael> agree to drop it
Daniel: please check http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Media+Annotations+WG&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1
daniel: and make discussion on the list
<raphael> is next week telecon changing hour ?
yes, see schedule at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin
<raphael> ok, it has been approved ?
<spark3> 21 UTC
<raphael> ok, thanks, I can make it :-)
tobias: can I participate in TPAC f2f via phone?
Felix: yes, we have a bridge for both days
<spark3> any issues today ?
<spark3> Raphael, is that ok for you ? we will adjourn today call
<raphael> yes, thanks !
many thanks, spark3!