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Ken: good article on The economist to bring visibility
<jeffs> +1 on approving minute
<JoeM> +1
http://www.w3.org/2008/09/01-mw4d-minutes.html
+1
approved
<scribe> ACTION: Steph to post the approved minutes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/15-mw4d-minutes.html#action01]
Stephane to publish minutes: done
Stephane to create a wiki page about MW4D roadmap
<scribe> :done
<kiwanja> http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/roadmap
Stephane to investigate and find a slot for thursday or friday and
organize a dinner
<scribe> : done friday morning for the meeting, will organzie a thursday evening dinner
Stephane to examine bookmark sharing tools that use keywords
<scribe> : postponed
Jeff: scheduled to talk there
... hope to convince Dan Appelquist to create a specific track on mobile and
development
Stephane: i will send you some slidesets for you to use
<jeffs> thanks, steph
<scribe> ACTION: ken to send a mail to Jeffs about organizing a workshop at www2009 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/15-mw4d-minutes.html#action02]
Lauri: i'm one of the founder of Mobile Monday, so happy that this is happening. tonight is in helsinky
<kiwanja> http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/roadmap
ken: joe ok to summarize your points
joe: i brainstorm a bit
and before filling the wiki, i wanted to share with the ground
steph: read your mail about the technology
very interesting input on Apllications environment
want also to add SMS, Vocie, and mobile browsing
joe: +1
ken: valuable to put on hte wiki
Jeffs: also very valuable contribution
if the mobile browsing appears, i will contributes
<JoeM> sure
Ken: discussion around the different issues
good to discuss when on hte wiki
ken: about the challenges
different axis to consider
good to consider the project cycle
starting from awareness of tools and applications
ken: good to build a ladder with different entry points
Jeffs: might consider to have 2 ladders
user and audience technology
you are a ngo,... and the second one: audience who have sms only, or browsing,...
ken: agreed
good point
perhaps even more
<scribe> ACTION: jeffs to email about the two ladders we have and the potential others about challenges [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/15-mw4d-minutes.html#action03]
stef: awareness of the potential is also important
bill: agreed
... for the ladder, we might want to talk about enabling environment like
regulation
ken: +1
<jeffs> +1
bill: we should consider these challenges
ken: agreed
... we need to look at the regulatory environment
bill: probably need other perspective will be required in the group
<bgillis> bill can add some work on reg environment..I have some expertise in this area
<kiwanja> thanks bill
stef: out of my expertise, would need reference to learn
<bgillis> will do--add reg
ken: good if you couldlead this part, and see
how to attract further expertise in this group
... for example safaricom offers now flat rate gprs in kenya, increasing a
lot the web traffic on mobile phones
stef: any reference ?
<scribe> ACTION: ken to send to the group a reference on safaricom in kenya launching flat rate mobile data access [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/15-mw4d-minutes.html#action04]
Lauri: nokia is also infrastructure provider in developing countries
the cost of ownership of the phones is the bottleneck
<jeffs> think rate issues very relevant, correct they encourage use which leads to infrastruct build-out etc etc... low cost increases demand which increases infrastucture build-out
the carriers is charging incredible amount of money for carriers to recover on investment quickly
this is our practical learning
we believe in competition
ken: good point
... regulation: did you think to include that topics ?
bill: yes exactly
lauri: a good regulation example is europe
<kiwanja> hi jeff =)
ken: next steps: a draft on the wiki, and then Bill can move on
on regulation
<JoeM> I'll get it up tonight
<kiwanja> thanks joe
nxt call, discussion around the draft
Lauri: question about webfoundation
webfoundation.org
<JoeM> thx stef
<kiwanja> http://www.webfoundation.org
<kiwanja> just a small seed grant from knight. ;o)
<kiwanja> thanks stef
stef: explain the mission of the web foundation, and particularly the web for society program