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SVG Working Group Teleconference

09 Sep 2008

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
ed, anthony, ChrisL, Doug_Schepers
Regrets
Chair
Erik
Scribe
ChrisL

Contents


 

 

<trackbot> Date: 09 September 2008

<scribe> ScribeNick: ChrisL

<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/2

ED: looking over the open actions and issues

DS: ACTION-2155 is done

close ACTION-2155

<trackbot> ACTION-2155 Add the keyboard events from DOM 3 Events to an SVGT12 appendix closed

ED: ACTION-2159 had some mail recently about loadEnd

DS: Those were not on list. Only WG members can post to the list. liaisons whould crosspost to www-svg

ED: Looks like loadEnd is being added, not defined when its dispatched, before or after load.

CL: Is there any downside to defining the order?

ED: WebApps seems to want it before the load event. Need to check current implementations
... fine either way
... progress event might define it differently, would be a problem

CL: If there is a risk of conflict with an uncompleted spec, better to defer to progress events

ED: Agree

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#events__ProgressEvent

Resolved: leave loadEnd dispach order undefined, add informative link to Progress Events

close ACTION-2159

<trackbot> ACTION-2159 Do progress event name change to Tiny 1.2 closed

ED: ACTION-2164 role attr

ACTION-2164?

<trackbot> ACTION-2164 -- Doug Schepers to add 'role' attribute (and informative reference to XHTML Role attribute module) and to change the content model of the title and desc elements to be text -- due 2008-08-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2164

DS: Feedback is currently being intregrated. role is done, text for title and desc is done, algorithm needs work

ACTION-2174?

<trackbot> ACTION-2174 -- Erik Dahlström to remove the 'this' keyword binding in the 'handler' element, and investigate if the execution of the handler content is actually like a Function object or if the contents are put in the global scope -- due 2008-08-31 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2174

DS: what about adding rel (and rev? but discouraged) for microformats
... would not hurt to add it

ED: Just strings?

DS; Only allowed on anchors (a elements)

CL: Would add interop with microformats, but the microformat code would still need to be told to look in SVG for microformats

DS: AUs which already get rel and rev probably dont care on the format, they just look for those attributes

CL: Wonder if their code is depending on span (we have tspan)

DS: Sloppy software will tolerate the attributes not being on a given tag, just looking for attributes.
... good point of convergence with HTML
... might also help with RDFa
... RDFa is less verbose, too, than RDF/XML

CL: In favour of adding rel and rev

ED: Impact on spec?

DS: Same description as HTML 4 (or 5) and add example taking into account microformats

CL: IG might like to discuss microformats in SVG

Resolved: Add rel and rev to the SVG a element

CL: Since we have xlink:title and also the title element (for machine readable content) so there isn't the overlap

(discussion on hint element and aria roles)

<scribe> ACTION: Doug to add rel and rev to the svg 'a' element [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2185 - Add rel and rev to the svg 'a' element [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-09-16].

ACTION-2121?

<trackbot> ACTION-2121 -- Chris Lilley to respond to Julien on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html re getURL -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2121

look here /SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#svg__SVGGlobal

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#svg__SVGGlobal

A.8.21 AsyncURLStatus

compare with http://www.w3.org/TR/XMLHttpRequest/#text-response-entity-body

ED: fine with a clarification as log as its in sync with XHR

ACTION-2121: Change spec to clarify its not just text/*, not just HTTP, and use the specified encoding

<trackbot> ACTION-2121 Respond to Julien on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html re getURL notes added

ED: Do the commit and we can discuss if its not right

ACTION-2099?

<trackbot> ACTION-2099 -- Chris Lilley to review the corrections to the mistakes in the attribute index and report back -- due 2008-07-22 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2099

ID is in twice, the Perl needs to be modified

CL: I am happy t make the table of links to attr definitions, id Anthony fixes the Perl

ED: This can be done during last call

<scribe> ACTION: Anthony revise tools/tables/maketables.pl to add attribute definition links and fix duplicate id entry [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2186 - Revise tools/tables/maketables.pl to add attribute definition links and fix duplicate id entry [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-09-16].

close ACTION-2099

<trackbot> ACTION-2099 Review the corrections to the mistakes in the attribute index and report back closed

close ACTION-2174

<trackbot> ACTION-2174 Remove the 'this' keyword binding in the 'handler' element, and investigate if the execution of the handler content is actually like a Function object or if the contents are put in the global scope closed

ACTION-2174?

<trackbot> ACTION-2174 -- Erik Dahlström to remove the 'this' keyword binding in the 'handler' element, and investigate if the execution of the handler content is actually like a Function object or if the contents are put in the global scope -- due 2008-08-31 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2174

ED: More useful to keep the behaviour in the spec, ikivo implemented per spec, so better to leave it as is
... ACTION-2148 depends on HTML WG

ACTION-2148?

<trackbot> ACTION-2148 -- Doug Schepers to take up ISSUE-2031 with the HTML WG -- due 2008-08-28 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2148

DS: Will talk to Hixie about this

Publication schedule

DS: On track for this friday publication. Please ensure actions done. Jules confirmed Friday publication. 4 week last call.
... moratorium before TPAC and also PLH said no way to get w3m processing right before TPAC so he suggests it be discussed during TPAC
... Doug and Chris can do it in person that way, too
... so publish after TPAC
... for press activity, be aware that Thanksgiving in there. Ian Jacobs, head of comms said that a press release is ok for Rec
... press release expected to be helpful for implementors and users
... will check with the JIS people

AG: JIS contacted me before this telcon, happy with that schedule and will do Japanese translation during November

DS: Also contacting JSR-287 folks about this

Test suite

AG: Patches mostly complete
... one more day for Andrew and I to complete
... adressing issues on the wii as we go
... comparing refs against opera, biftflash and batick. updating patches as needed.

<anthony> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-fonts-04-t.svg

AG: this test here has a problem

<anthony> status="accepted"

<anthony> approved="no"

CL: Unchanged form 1.1, should be approved, description is good

<anthony> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-align-202-t.svg

AG: also this one

<anthony> http://members.iinet.net.au/~ossarga/text-align-202-t/

inkscape is correct

but I want to check with someone that knows arabic

ED: So publishing the spec by friday

DS: Better to have a dated version so implementors know what they tested against

CL: Need to check with no keyword substitution

<scribe> ACTION: Chris ensure test suite published on Friday [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2187 - Ensure test suite published on Friday [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-09-16].

DS: rev is deprecated, maybee just add rel not rev

<scribe> ACTION: Chris ask Tantek for advice on adding rev [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2188 - Ask Tantek for advice on adding rev [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-09-16].

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Anthony revise tools/tables/maketables.pl to add attribute definition links and fix duplicate id entry [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris ask Tantek for advice on adding rev [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris ensure test suite published on Friday [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to add rel and rev to the svg 'a' element [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]
 
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