10:31:32 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #svg
10:31:32 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-irc
10:31:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
10:31:34 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #svg
10:31:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
10:31:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()6:30AM scheduled to start now
10:31:37 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
10:31:37 <trackbot> Date: 09 September 2008
10:32:04 <Zakim> GA_SVGWG()6:30AM has now started
10:32:10 <Zakim> +??P0
10:32:15 <ChrisL> ChrisL has joined #svg
10:32:27 <ed> Zakim, ??P0 is me
10:32:27 <Zakim> +ed; got it
10:34:20 <Zakim> +??P1
10:34:33 <anthony> Zakim, ??P1 is me
10:34:33 <Zakim> +anthony; got it
10:34:54 <Zakim> +??P2
10:35:08 <ChrisL> zakim, ??p2 is me
10:35:08 <Zakim> +ChrisL; got it
10:35:16 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
10:35:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see ed, anthony, ChrisL
10:35:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see ChrisL, Zakim, RRSAgent, ed, codedread, NH, heycam, ed_work, trackbot, anthony, shepazu
10:38:20 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
10:41:01 <ChrisL> ScribeNick: ChrisL
10:41:02 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0255.html
10:41:09 <ChrisL> Chair: Erik
10:41:20 <ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/2
10:41:27 <ChrisL> ED: looking over the open actions and issues
10:42:23 <ChrisL> DS: ACTION-2155 is done
10:42:30 <ChrisL> close ACTION-2155
10:42:31 <trackbot> ACTION-2155 Add the keyboard events from DOM 3 Events to an SVGT12 appendix closed
10:43:07 <ChrisL> ED: ACTION-2159 had some mail recently about loadEnd
10:43:32 <ChrisL> DS: Those were not on list. Only WG members can post to the list. liaisons whould crosspost to www-svg
10:44:06 <ChrisL> ED: Looks like loadEnd is being added, not defined when its dispatched, before or after load. 
10:44:33 <ChrisL> CL: Is there any downside to defining the order?
10:44:53 <ChrisL> ED: WebApps seems to want it before the load event. Need to check current implementations
10:44:58 <ChrisL> ... fine either way
10:45:21 <ChrisL> ... progress event might define it differently, would be a problem
10:46:02 <ChrisL> CL: If there is a risk of conflict with an uncompleted spec, better to defer to progress events
10:46:06 <ChrisL> ED: Agree
10:46:38 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#events__ProgressEvent
10:46:46 <ChrisL> Resolved: leave loadEnd dispach order undefined, add informative link to Progress Events
10:47:19 <ChrisL> close ACTION-2159
10:47:19 <trackbot> ACTION-2159 Do progress event name change to Tiny 1.2 closed
10:47:46 <ChrisL> ED: ACTION-2164 role attr
10:48:34 <ChrisL> ACTION-2164?
10:48:34 <trackbot> ACTION-2164 -- Doug Schepers to add 'role' attribute (and informative reference to XHTML Role attribute module) and to change the content model of the title and desc elements to be text -- due 2008-08-30 -- OPEN
10:48:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2164
10:49:20 <ChrisL> DS: Feedback is currently being intregrated. role is done, text for title and desc is done, algorithm needs work
10:49:34 <ChrisL> ACTION-2174?
10:49:34 <trackbot> ACTION-2174 -- Erik Dahlström to remove the 'this' keyword binding in the 'handler' element, and investigate if the execution of the handler content is actually like a Function object or if the contents are put in the global scope -- due 2008-08-31 -- OPEN
10:49:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2174
10:50:23 <ChrisL> DS: what about adding rel (and rev? but discouraged) for microformats
10:50:38 <ChrisL> .. would not hurt to add it
10:50:47 <ChrisL> ED: Just strings?
10:51:06 <ChrisL> DS; Only allowed on anchors (a elements)
10:52:46 <ChrisL> CL: Would add interop with microformats, but the microformat code would still need to be told to look in SVG for microformats
10:53:41 <ChrisL> DS: AUs which already get rel and rev probably dont care on the format, they just look for those attributes
10:54:25 <ChrisL> CL: Wonder if their code is depending on span (we have tspan)
10:54:59 <ChrisL> DS: Sloppy software will tolerate the attributes not being on a given tag, just looking for attributes. 
10:55:31 <ChrisL> ... good point of convergence with HTML
10:55:51 <ChrisL> ... might also help with RDFa
10:56:44 <ChrisL> ... RDFa is less verbose, too, than RDF/XML
10:57:08 <ChrisL> CL: In favour of adding rel and rev
10:57:24 <ChrisL> ED: Impact on spec?
10:57:56 <ChrisL> DS: Same description as HTML 4 (or 5) and add example taking into account microformats
10:58:21 <ChrisL> CL: IG might like to discuss microformats in SVG
10:59:24 <ChrisL> Resolved: Add rel and rev to the SVG a element
11:00:06 <ChrisL> CL: Since we have xlink:title and also the title element (for machine readable content) so there isn't the overlap
11:01:08 <ChrisL> (discussion on hint element and aria roles)
11:03:08 <ChrisL> ACTION: Doug to add rel and rev to the svg 'a' element
11:03:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2185 - Add rel and rev to the svg 'a' element [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-09-16].
11:03:42 <ChrisL> ACTION-2121?
11:03:42 <trackbot> ACTION-2121 -- Chris Lilley to respond to Julien on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html re getURL -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN
11:03:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2121
11:06:08 <ChrisL> look here /SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#svg__SVGGlobal
11:06:24 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#svg__SVGGlobal
11:06:34 <ChrisL> A.8.21 AsyncURLStatus
11:08:26 <ChrisL> compare with http://www.w3.org/TR/XMLHttpRequest/#text-response-entity-body
11:09:42 <ChrisL> ED: fine with a clarification as log as its in sync with XHR
11:10:59 <ChrisL> ACTION-2121: Change spec to clarify its not just text/*, not just HTTP, and use the specified encoding
11:10:59 <trackbot> ACTION-2121 Respond to Julien on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html re getURL notes added
11:11:12 <ChrisL> ED: Do the commit and we can discuss if its not right
11:11:57 <ChrisL> ACTION-2099?
11:11:57 <trackbot> ACTION-2099 -- Chris Lilley to review the corrections to the mistakes in the attribute index and report back -- due 2008-07-22 -- OPEN
11:11:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2099
11:12:37 <ChrisL> ID is in twice, the Perl needs to be modified
11:15:00 <ChrisL> CL: I am happy t make the table of links to attr definitions, id Anthony fixes the Perl
11:15:08 <ChrisL> ED: This can be done during last call
11:16:09 <ChrisL> ACTION: Anthony revise tools/tables/maketables.pl to add attribute definition links and fix duplicate id entry
11:16:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2186 - Revise tools/tables/maketables.pl to add attribute definition links and fix duplicate id entry [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-09-16].
11:16:57 <ChrisL> close ACTION-2099
11:16:57 <trackbot> ACTION-2099 Review the corrections to the mistakes in the attribute index and report back closed
11:17:06 <ChrisL> close ACTION-2174
11:17:06 <trackbot> ACTION-2174 Remove the 'this' keyword binding in the 'handler' element, and investigate if the execution of the handler content is actually like a Function object or if the contents are put in the global scope closed
11:17:15 <ChrisL> ACTION-2174?
11:17:15 <trackbot> ACTION-2174 -- Erik Dahlström to remove the 'this' keyword binding in the 'handler' element, and investigate if the execution of the handler content is actually like a Function object or if the contents are put in the global scope -- due 2008-08-31 -- CLOSED
11:17:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2174
11:17:43 <ChrisL> ED: More useful to keep the behaviour in the spec, ikivo implemented per spec, so better to leave it as is
11:18:37 <ChrisL> ED: ACTION-2148 depends on HTML WG
11:19:07 <ChrisL> ACTION-2148?
11:19:07 <trackbot> ACTION-2148 -- Doug Schepers to take up ISSUE-2031 with the HTML WG -- due 2008-08-28 -- OPEN
11:19:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2148
11:19:18 <ChrisL> DS: Will talk to Hixie about this
11:19:35 <ChrisL> Topic: Publication schedule
11:20:13 <ChrisL> DS: On track for this friday publication. Please ensure actions done. Jules confirmed Friday publication. 4 week last call. 
11:21:01 <ChrisL> ... moratorium before TPAC and also PLH said no way to get w3m processing right before TPAC so he suggests it be discussed during TPAC
11:21:15 <ChrisL> ... Doug and Chris can do it in person that way, too
11:21:35 <ChrisL> ... so publish after TPAC
11:22:16 <ChrisL> ... for press activity, be aware that Thanksgiving in there. Ian Jacobs, head of comms said that a press release is ok for Rec
11:22:53 <ChrisL> ... press release expected to be helpful for implementors and users
11:23:28 <ChrisL> ... will check with the JIS people
11:24:00 <ChrisL> AG: JIS contacted me before this telcon, happy with that schedule and will do japanese translation during November
11:24:12 <ChrisL> s/japa/Japa/
11:24:25 <ChrisL> DS: Also contacting JSR-287 folks about this
11:25:51 <ChrisL> Topic: Test suite
11:26:00 <ChrisL> AG: Patches mostly complete
11:26:26 <ChrisL> ... one more day for Andrew and I to complete
11:26:50 <ChrisL> ... adressing issues on the wii as we go
11:27:13 <ChrisL> .. comparing refs against opera, biftflash and batick. updating patches as needed.
11:27:27 <anthony> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-fonts-04-t.svg
11:27:30 <ChrisL> AG: this test here has a problem
11:28:03 <anthony> status="accepted"
11:28:10 <anthony> approved="no"
11:28:46 <ChrisL> CL: Unchanged form 1.1, should be approved, description is good
11:30:57 <anthony> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-align-202-t.svg
11:30:58 <ChrisL> AG: also this one
11:31:12 <anthony> http://members.iinet.net.au/~ossarga/text-align-202-t/
11:32:25 <ChrisL> inkscape is correct
11:33:23 <ChrisL> but I want to check with someone that knows arabic
11:35:54 <ChrisL> ED: So publishing the spec by friday
11:38:12 <ChrisL> DS: Better to have a dated version so implementors know what they tested against
11:39:46 <ChrisL> CL: Need to check with no keyword substitution
11:40:48 <ChrisL> ACTION: Chris ensure test suite published on Friday
11:40:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2187 - Ensure test suite published on Friday [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-09-16].
11:41:14 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
11:41:14 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been ed, anthony, ChrisL, Doug_Schepers
11:41:59 <ChrisL> DS: rev is deprecated, maybee just add rel not rev
11:42:14 <ChrisL> ACTION: Chris ask Tantek for advice on adding rev
11:42:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2188 - Ask Tantek for advice on adding rev [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-09-16].
11:42:30 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
11:42:31 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
11:42:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html ChrisL
11:42:34 <Zakim> -anthony
11:42:36 <Zakim> -ed
11:42:36 <Zakim> -ChrisL
11:42:38 <Zakim> GA_SVGWG()6:30AM has ended
11:42:39 <Zakim> Attendees were ed, anthony, ChrisL, Doug_Schepers
11:44:59 <ed> http://intertwingly.net/blog/2008/09/07/SVG-via-CSS
11:48:17 <anthony> Zakim, bye
11:48:17 <Zakim> Zakim has left #svg
11:48:24 <anthony> interesting blog
12:21:16 <codedread> codedread has left #svg
12:24:43 <NH> NH has joined #SVG
12:35:43 <NH> Did I miss the meeting?
12:44:07 <ChrisL> ChrisL has joined #svg
12:52:06 <ed> ed has joined #svg
12:58:08 <ed> heycam: this is a bit odd... http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html.diff?r1=1.109&r2=1.110&f=h
12:58:48 <ChrisL> anthony, http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-align-202-t.svg has a problem. i'm trying to get it resolved. in may result in the revision number incrementing
12:59:41 <ed> heycam: I'm regenerating the udom, and the udom.idd file does look ok, and it did generate a correct svgudom.html page before...as you can see from the previous commit, http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html.diff?r1=1.108&r2=1.109&f=h
14:24:07 <NH> NH has joined #SVG
15:18:51 <ed> ed has joined #svg
15:37:02 <ed_work> ed_work has joined #svg