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<scribe> chair: Charles F Wiecha
<scribe> Scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
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<jackjansen> What's the code, again?
<Charlie> RWAB
<jackjansen> No:-) the mute code...
<Charlie> ah, sorry
61# to mute yourself
60# to unmute
41# to raise your hand (puts you in queue)
40# to lower your hand (remove you from the queue
<jackjansen> thanks
CW: what should we do
today?
... update on data model and UI control stuff?
Kevin: what is quorum criteria for RWAB XG
CW: don't want anyone to fall
behind
... extensions to data model for 15 minutes
... dojo status report
<Charlie> www.webdialogs.com/join
http://www.webdialogs.com/join
<Charlie> meeting code is 801862
CW: brainstorm at higher
level
... review of past work
... next week, jack could you present on your model again?
<jackjansen> ok.
CW: refactoring data model and
advancing pieces of XForms out of forms-specificity, but
generic component for RWAB; ability to inject into dojo, AJAX,
and other libraries
... Thomas showed us the first demo of that using data models
in dojo; brainstormed: library agnostic data model
... (shares screen with participants)
... Thomas' work: uses xforms-ubiquity data model to back both
a "data provider object" ("data source" in YUI)
... demos YUI widget
... sends keywords through YUI data object into XForms as
side-effect triggering submit; triggering xforms control,
queries XML data, same abstraction
... not forcing authors or devs to swallow XForms whole, but to
reuse slash leverage XForms mechanics and architecture
... where to go next - what use cases to explore
... in current implementation, have 1 data source object cross
product of dojo and YUI interfaces
... refractor from those objects - can hand you a data object
or XML instance and plug into both dojo and YUI -
... use case - someone taking mashup from dojo framework and
YUI framework; if want to add widgets built from diff script
library, need to be able to communicate bilaterally; give me a
reference to XForms instance - avoid having to tailor for
specific framework
<Charlie> Thomas Ling
<Charlie> not yet on IRC, sorry
<Charlie> he's in our team at IBM
TL: Ajax API and dojo API have
different set; pure javascript - doesn't depend on a single
framework; works on both libraries
... data binder could form wider requirements for API - if have
to add API for each component of toolkit, ability to point to
data object important
CW: both dojo and YUI - IDL or interface for data model; more than XForms - need to consider methods needed to support; can then plug into dojo or YUI
<jackjansen> question: is Javascript always master, or is there a way to trigger javascript execution when data model changes (e.g. through xforms or smil)?
TL: use API for data source; standard way of how dojo or YUI implement data source; if person has own component should be able to use common API
CW: pulling data from model side; something causes model to change, how does trickle back
<jackjansen> oeddie, ok thanks
<Kevin> bye, talk to you next week
TL: dojo already does that; lets
you specify when data model is changed or done with update;
could implement own javascript API even if your widget doesn't
support it, can listen for it and call API
... YUI has properties - similar to CORBA subset; allows
formatting of HTML; HTML data model query using XPath, or using
XPath to commuicate model for delivery as HTML
CW: triggering event notification into SMIL engine
JJ: right; interested in apps where time is main control channel; using snippets of javascript to describe things in declarative way; wouuld like whole model to be declarative
CW: using XForms-like binding to
make look like XForm control or via underlying AJAX
framework
... first more generic
JJ: way to trigger actions in SMIL, if SMIL model isn't sufficient and have to use script, has to trigger model changes
CW: should pull that into use
cases
... access controls and custom action - different action
bindings
... sample app simple from UI point of view
... new use case from JJ: controlling custom events and
push-back to data model
... concentrate on data model, rather than wrapper - plug data
model API into wrapper
CW: Debbie Dahl asked for joint
meeting; widgets not always visual - fragment of VoiceXML or
SMIL shows linearization to different modalities
... should meet with MMI and Voice at same time
... lot of stuff of interest in web-applications
... hour with web-apps at tech plenary
... meeting with XHTML2 group?
GJR: separate conversation with XHTML2 would be beneficial
CW: will talk with StevenP
... MMI, XForms and XHTML2 - will check with kevin about
CDF
... what about WAI?
GJR: lunch and an hour or 2 afterwards: telling each other what each is doing and syncronizing approaches
CW: who to contact
GJR: Al Gilman and michael cooper
(cooper@w3.org) and CC to wai-liaison@w3.org
... like to sync demos -
JJ: which days are we aiming for?
CW: don't have separate meeting time; membership of XG in multiple groups; work on building demos to take into discussions with other groups
JJ: may not make it at all - if make it, won't be there for whole five days
CW: meet with whom and who will attend will dictate with whom we speak
<jackjansen> bye!
CW: what are themes/talking points in meetings with working groups; looking at app point of view in open source - might want to integrate accessibilty in talks with other group
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