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<Ian> Marc I can only participate peripherally today
<Ian> I am listening on the phone
<Ian> but I have no speech
<Ian> no mic
<Ian> I am also in another meeting too
<Ian> zakim I am aabb
<Ian> who am i then?
<Ian> zakim i am P4
<Felix> zakim i am Felix_Burkhardt
<marc> Idoia, can you join on the phone?
<Ian> she was here earlier
<marc> ScribeNick: Bjoern
<Idoia> here we are Nestor and Idoia and we are joining on the phone just now
<marc> ok we'll wait for a moment
<marc> next item
Marc introduces the agenda and asks for other suggestions
No other suggestions are added.
<marc> 1. First we stated that the simplest form, as used in EARL  so far (flat and implicit):
<marc> <emotion category="pleasure"/>
<marc> has the charm of simplicity, but it has disadvantages:
<marc> - the markup gives no hint regarding the set of categories to use
<marc> - if you want to add meta-information (e.g., Meta 1: Confidence) specifically to the category, that is not straightforward to do.
Marc discusses issue 1 from the mail of Felix.
This is uncontroversial by all.
<marc> 2. An alternative would be
<marc> but the usage of plain text in elements (vs. attributes) is to be avoided because our ML will certainly be used in conjunction with text processing steps and we certainly wouldn't want to be left with the " pleasure " string when all markup gets removed.
This item too is uncontroversial.
<marc> 3. We than thought about ways for making it explicit which set of categories is used and came up with three different ideas:
<marc> 3a. Category sets as the name of the element, e.g.:
<marc> <emotion> <category> <BigSixEmotion name="joy"/> </category> </emotion> or, in a flatter version <emotion> <EverydayEmotionCategory name="pleasure" confidence="0.9"/> </emotion>
No controversion by new adds.
Marc explains joint advantage of 3a-c.
<marc> 3b. Category sets as the value of a apecial attribute attribute, e.g.:
<marc> <emotion> <category set="everyday" name="pleasure" confidence "0.9"/> </emotion>
<marc> 3c. Category sets as the namespace of the <category> element, e.g.
<marc> <everyday:category id="pleasure" confidence="0.9" />
<marc> </emotionml: emotion>
Felix speaks against 3a.
Felix prefers 3b as easiest way.
Marc explains that the namespace variant is not necessarily more complex.
Marc states that namespace allows easier creation of outside of standard set.
Marc states that in 3b this will probably be possible, too.
Bjoern states that this is an important feature.
Marc stresses usability over technical "cleanness"
<Jianhua> I prefer 3b too
Bjoern asks about certainness to provide sets and make them public in 3b.
Jianhua also prefers 3b for its simplicity.
Marc suggest providing an URL for this (wrt Bjoern's question).
Marc asks if 3b is ok for the moment.
This is agreed. It allows moving to 3c later on.
<Idoia> we also agree with the simplicity of 3b option
agrees on 3b.
Marc suggests to have 3b as guideline for future items.
Marc stresses the importance of this decision.
Marc reads list of volunteers and suggests to split items among them for draft versions for discussion.
Marc asks if moving quickly like this is ok.
Marc says that work should be split respecting similarities.
Marc explains made decisions to newly joints...
Felix suggests to discuss this online, first.
Marc asks others if they want to join the discussion on splitting requirements specs among volunteers.
Marc reminds of next meeting on 31st of July same time.
People not involved leave...
Marc asks Ian for lifesign.
Marc, Felix, and Bjoern discuss split of 13 remaining mandatory requirements.
<Ian> sorry, switching between 2 meetings
<Ian> very difficult
<Ian> sounds like a good idea
Marc suggests Ian for Links to the rest of the world (1-3).
<Ian> together is good
<Ian> my XML knowledge is not great
Ian and Felix agree to work on this.
<Ian> you have to make 1 action item per person
<Ian> i dont think that works
<scribe> ACTION: Felix and Ian to prepare examples for links to the rest of the world before 31st of July 2008. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-emotion-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - And Ian to prepare examples for links to the rest of the world before 31st of July 2008. [on Felix Burkhardt - due 2008-07-10].
<Ian> so the same action item for each person
<Ian> sounds good
<Ian> sorry I missed that
<marc> oops, did I drop out?
<Ian> can you explain again, i missed it
<Ian> no problem
<Ian> ah ok
<Ian> i looked at that one too
<Felix> bye bagin
<scribe> ACTION: Bjoern to provide examples for core 1 and core 6 before 31. July 2008 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-emotion-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Bjoern
<scribe> ACTION: Björn_Schuller to provide examples for core 1 and core 6 until 31.7.08 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-emotion-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Björn_Schuller
<scribe> ACTION: Björn_Schuller to provide examples for core 1 and core 6 until 31.7.08 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-emotion-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Björn_Schuller
<scribe> ACTION: Björn to provide examples for core 1 and core 6 until 31.7.08 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-emotion-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Provide examples for core 1 and core 6 until 31.7.08 [on Björn Schuller - due 2008-07-10].
<scribe> ACTION: Marc to provide examples for core 3,4,5,7 until 31.07.08 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-emotion-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-25 - Provide examples for core 3,4,5,7 until 31.07.08 [on Marc Schröder - due 2008-07-10].
<scribe> ACTION: Myriam was volunteered to porvide meta 1,2 and global 0 examples due 2008-07-31 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-emotion-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - Was volunteered to porvide meta 1,2 and global 0 examples due 2008-07-31 [on Myriam LAMOLLE - due 2008-07-10].
<marc> ACTION- 2
<marc> ACTION- 3
<marc> ACTION- 4
<scribe> Scribe: Bjoern Schuller
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