IRC log of emotion on 2008-07-03

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13:54:19 [marc]

zakim, this will be INC_EMOXG

13:54:20 [Zakim]

ok, marc; I see INC_EMOXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes

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agenda+ Discuss first suggestions for specification of Requirement Core 2: Emotion categories

13:55:21 [marc]

agenda+ Date of next meeting

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INC_EMOXG()10:00AM has now started

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+ +49.381.402.aaaa

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+??P4

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+??P5

13:58:02 [Ian]

Marc I can only participate peripherally today

13:58:07 [Idoia]

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13:58:12 [Ian]

I am listening on the phone

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but I have no speech

13:58:21 [Zakim]

+ +49.892.892.aabb

13:58:29 [marc]

zakim, who is talking?

13:58:39 [Zakim]

marc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +49.381.402.aaaa (19%), ??P5 (90%), +49.892.892.aabb (29%)

13:58:54 [marc]

zakim, I am ??P5

13:58:54 [Zakim]

+marc; got it

13:58:58 [Idoia]

hello

13:59:11 [Christian]

zakim, i am aaaa

13:59:11 [Zakim]

+Christian; got it

13:59:25 [Ian]

right

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no mic

13:59:41 [Ian]

I am also in another meeting too

13:59:46 [Zakim]

+??P11

13:59:56 [Bjoern]

zakim, I am aabb

13:59:58 [Zakim]

+Bjoern; got it

13:59:58 [Ian]

zakim I am aabb

14:00:02 [marc]

zakim, ??P11 is Jianhua

14:00:05 [Ian]

oops

14:00:06 [Zakim]

+Jianhua; got it

14:00:12 [Ian]

who am i then?

14:00:19 [Zakim]

+Felix_Burkhardt

14:00:24 [Ian]

zakim i am P4

14:00:36 [marc]

zakim, ??P4 is Ian

14:00:36 [Zakim]

+Ian; got it

14:00:39 [Ian]

thanks

14:00:54 [Felix]

zakim i am Felix_Burkhardt

14:01:10 [marc]

Idoia, can you join on the phone?

14:01:18 [Felix]

zakim, i am Felix_Burkhardt

14:01:19 [Zakim]

ok, Felix, I now associate you with Felix_Burkhardt

14:01:35 [Ian]

she was here earlier

14:02:12 [marc]

ScribeNick: Bjoern

14:02:24 [Idoia]

here we are Nestor and Idoia and we are joining on the phone just now

14:02:43 [marc]

ok we'll wait for a moment

14:03:00 [marc]

next item

14:03:25 [marc]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Jul/0000.html

14:04:48 [Bjoern]

Marc introduces the agenda and asks for other suggestions

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14:05:03 [Bjoern]

No other suggestions are added.

14:05:27 [marc]

1. First we stated that the simplest form, as used in EARL [2] so far (flat and implicit):

14:05:27 [marc]

14:05:27 [marc]

<emotion category="pleasure"/>

14:05:27 [marc]

has the charm of simplicity, but it has disadvantages:

14:05:27 [marc]

- the markup gives no hint regarding the set of categories to use

14:05:28 [marc]

- if you want to add meta-information (e.g., Meta 1: Confidence) specifically to the category, that is not straightforward to do.

14:07:11 [Bjoern]

Marc discusses issue 1 from the mail of Felix.

14:07:20 [Bjoern]

This is uncontroversial by all.

14:07:25 [marc]

2. An alternative would be

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<emotion>

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<category>pleasure</category>

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</emotion>

14:07:26 [marc]

but the usage of plain text in elements (vs. attributes) is to be avoided because our ML will certainly be used in conjunction with text processing steps and we certainly wouldn't want to be left with the " pleasure " string when all markup gets removed.

14:08:32 [Zakim]

+Myriam_Arrue

14:08:44 [Bjoern]

This item too is uncontroversial.

14:10:30 [marc]

3. We than thought about ways for making it explicit which set of categories is used and came up with three different ideas:

14:10:30 [marc]

3a. Category sets as the name of the element, e.g.:

14:10:31 [marc]

<emotion> <category> <BigSixEmotion name="joy"/> </category> </emotion> or, in a flatter version <emotion> <EverydayEmotionCategory name="pleasure" confidence="0.9"/> </emotion>

14:10:32 [Bjoern]

No controversion by new adds.

14:11:56 [Bjoern]

Marc explains joint advantage of 3a-c.

14:12:18 [marc]

3b. Category sets as the value of a apecial attribute attribute, e.g.:

14:12:19 [marc]

<emotion> <category set="everyday" name="pleasure" confidence "0.9"/> </emotion>

14:12:19 [marc]

3c. Category sets as the namespace of the <category> element, e.g.

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<emotionml:emotion

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xmlns:everyday="http://emoxg.org/categories/everyday/">

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<everyday:category id="pleasure" confidence="0.9" />

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</emotionml: emotion>

14:14:38 [Bjoern]

Felix speaks against 3a.

14:14:56 [Bjoern]

Felix prefers 3b as easiest way.

14:15:34 [Bjoern]

Marc explains that the namespace variant is not necessarily more complex.

14:16:14 [Bjoern]

Marc states that namespace allows easier creation of outside of standard set.

14:16:52 [Bjoern]

Marc states that in 3b this will probably be possible, too.

14:17:26 [Bjoern]

Bjoern states that this is an important feature.

14:18:33 [Bjoern]

Marc stresses usability over technical "cleanness"

14:19:37 [Jianhua]

I prefer 3b too

14:19:57 [Bjoern]

Bjoern asks about certainness to provide sets and make them public in 3b.

14:20:15 [Bjoern]

Jianhua also prefers 3b for its simplicity.

14:20:35 [Bjoern]

Marc suggest providing an URL for this (wrt Bjoern's question).

14:21:02 [Bjoern]

Marc asks if 3b is ok for the moment.

14:21:15 [Bjoern]

This is agreed. It allows moving to 3c later on.

14:21:23 [Idoia]

we also agree with the simplicity of 3b option

14:21:38 [Bjoern]

agrees on 3b.

14:22:17 [Bjoern]

Marc suggests to have 3b as guideline for future items.

14:22:31 [Bjoern]

Marc stresses the importance of this decision.

14:22:45 [Bjoern]

Nobody objects...

14:23:21 [Bjoern]

Including Ian...

14:23:23 [Christian]

Ian?

14:24:50 [Bjoern]

Marc reads list of volunteers and suggests to split items among them for draft versions for discussion.

14:25:15 [Bjoern]

Marc asks if moving quickly like this is ok.

14:25:29 [Bjoern]

Felix agrees.

14:27:01 [Zakim]

+ +95177aacc

14:27:02 [Bjoern]

Marc says that work should be split respecting similarities.

14:27:21 [marc]

zakim, aacc is Catherine

14:27:21 [Zakim]

+Catherine; got it

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+Andy_Breen

14:28:42 [Bjoern]

Marc explains made decisions to newly joints...

14:30:06 [Bjoern]

Felix suggests to discuss this online, first.

14:31:11 [Bjoern]

Marc asks others if they want to join the discussion on splitting requirements specs among volunteers.

14:32:04 [Bjoern]

Marc reminds of next meeting on 31st of July same time.

14:32:07 [Zakim]

-Christian

14:32:09 [Zakim]

-Andy_Breen

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-Catherine

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-Myriam_Arrue

14:32:16 [Bjoern]

People not involved leave...

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-Jianhua

14:32:53 [marc]

zakim, who is here?

14:32:53 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ian, marc, Bjoern, Felix_Burkhardt

14:32:54 [Zakim]

On IRC I see cpelacha, Christian, Idoia, Felix, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc, Bjoern, Jianhua, Ian, trackbot

14:33:00 [Bjoern]

Marc asks Ian for lifesign.

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14:34:53 [Bjoern]

Marc, Felix, and Bjoern discuss split of 13 remaining mandatory requirements.

14:34:57 [Ian]

sorry, switching between 2 meetings

14:35:28 [Ian]

very difficult

14:35:30 [Ian]

yes

14:35:49 [Ian]

ok

14:35:56 [Ian]

right

14:36:05 [Ian]

sounds like a good idea

14:36:11 [Ian]

ok

14:36:13 [Bjoern]

Marc suggests Ian for Links to the rest of the world (1-3).

14:36:18 [Ian]

together is good

14:36:31 [Ian]

my XML knowledge is not great

14:36:31 [Bjoern]

Ian and Felix agree to work on this.

14:37:00 [Ian]

you have to make 1 action item per person

14:37:08 [Ian]

i dont think that works

14:37:23 [Ian]

yes

14:37:34 [Ian]

right

14:37:51 [Bjoern]

ACTION: Felix and Ian to prepare examples for links to the rest of the world before 31st of July 2008.

14:37:51 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-23 - And Ian to prepare examples for links to the rest of the world before 31st of July 2008. [on Felix Burkhardt - due 2008-07-10].

14:37:53 [Ian]

so the same action item for each person

14:40:34 [Ian]

sounds good

14:42:02 [Ian]

again?

14:42:08 [Zakim]

-marc

14:42:10 [Ian]

sorry I missed that

14:42:21 [marc]

oops, did I drop out?

14:42:25 [Ian]

yes

14:42:44 [Zakim]

+??P1

14:42:57 [marc]

zakim, I am ??P1

14:42:57 [Zakim]

+marc; got it

14:43:27 [Ian]

can you explain again, i missed it

14:43:30 [Ian]

sorry

14:43:38 [Ian]

no problem

14:43:50 [Ian]

ah ok

14:43:56 [Ian]

i looked at that one too

14:45:49 [Ian]

ok

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bye

14:46:02 [Zakim]

-Felix_Burkhardt

14:46:05 [Zakim]

-Ian

14:46:08 [Felix]

bye bagin

14:46:47 [Bjoern]

ACTION: Bjoern to provide examples for core 1 and core 6 before 31. July 2008

14:46:47 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - Bjoern

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ACTION: Björn_Schuller to provide examples for core 1 and core 6 until 31.7.08

14:49:24 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - Björn_Schuller

14:49:36 [Bjoern]

ACTION: Björn_Schuller to provide examples for core 1 and core 6 until 31.7.08

14:49:36 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - Björn_Schuller

14:49:54 [Bjoern]

ACTION: Björn to provide examples for core 1 and core 6 until 31.7.08

14:49:54 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-24 - Provide examples for core 1 and core 6 until 31.7.08 [on Björn Schuller - due 2008-07-10].

14:50:56 [Bjoern]

ACTION: Marc to provide examples for core 3,4,5,7 until 31.07.08

14:50:56 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-25 - Provide examples for core 3,4,5,7 until 31.07.08 [on Marc Schröder - due 2008-07-10].

14:52:50 [Bjoern]

ACTION: Myriam was volunteered to porvide meta 1,2 and global 0 examples due 2008-07-31

14:52:50 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-26 - Was volunteered to porvide meta 1,2 and global 0 examples due 2008-07-31 [on Myriam LAMOLLE - due 2008-07-10].

14:56:07 [marc]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/group/IRC-Cheat-Sheet.html

14:58:09 [marc]

ACTION- 2

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ACTION- 3

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ACTION- 4

14:59:06 [Bjoern]

Scribe: Bjoern Schuller

14:59:18 [Bjoern]

Chair: Marc Schroeder

14:59:26 [marc]

Present: Felix, Björn, Ian, Christian, Andy, Catherine, Idoia, Nestor

14:59:45 [marc]

Present: Felix, Björn, Ian, Christian, Andy, Catherine, Idoia, Nestor, Jianhua

15:00:05 [marc]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Jul/0001.html

15:00:28 [marc]

Regrets: Enrico, Myriam

15:00:53 [Bjoern]

Meeting: EMO ML discussion

15:01:16 [Bjoern]

rrsagent, make logs public

15:01:24 [Bjoern]

rrsagent, draft minutes

15:01:24 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-emotion-minutes.html Bjoern

15:04:33 [Zakim]

-marc

15:04:37 [Zakim]

-Bjoern

15:04:39 [Zakim]

INC_EMOXG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were +49.381.402.aaaa, +49.892.892.aabb, marc, Christian, Bjoern, Jianhua, Felix_Burkhardt, Ian, Myriam_Arrue, +95177aacc, Catherine, Andy_Breen

15:06:04 [marc]

zakim, bye

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15:06:09 [marc]

rrsagent, bye

15:06:09 [RRSAgent]

I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-emotion-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Felix and Ian to prepare examples for links to the rest of the world before 31st of July 2008. [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-emotion-irc#T14-37-51

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ACTION: Björn to provide examples for core 1 and core 6 until 31.7.08 [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-emotion-irc#T14-49-54

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ACTION: Marc to provide examples for core 3,4,5,7 until 31.07.08 [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-emotion-irc#T14-50-56

15:06:09 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Myriam was volunteered to porvide meta 1,2 and global 0 examples due 2008-07-31 [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-emotion-irc#T14-52-50