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<trackbot> Date: 18 June 2008
<shepazu> ACTION: smaug to produce test template for D3E [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-webapps-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Produce test template for D3E [on Olli Pettay - due 2008-06-25].
<shepazu> scribe: Olli Pettay
<shepazu> scribeNick: smaug
Doug: added definitions of roll and rotation
Doug> added definitions of roll and rotation
Travis: so MouseWheel is the legacy event
Doug: there are several different
mousewheel events; mouseWheel & DOMMouseScroll
... so new event is created: Wheel
... but still define the legacy MouseWheel
Travis: could add some diagram
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to add a diagram about wheel axes etc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-webapps-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Add a diagram about wheel axes etc [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-06-25].
smaug: problem is that systems produce events with line scroll delta and pixel delta
<Travis> (It's not quite complete, obviously...)
smaug: scroll event happens after scrolling
Doug: HTML and CSS should define that if element is capable to scroll, scroll should bubble to document
smaug: the default handling shouldn't bubble to document
<arve> [not participating, but following by accident] make sure that the delta is well-defined both in terms of value and direction, browser deviate on both, some send +1 where others send -60
Travis: wondering about the 2nd paragraph of 1.3
checkboxes and radiobuttons are special cases
<shepazu> arve, will do
<arve> shepazu: my highly personal proposal is to define an angle and a distance
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to clarify default actions (section 1.3) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-webapps-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Clarify default actions (section 1.3) [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-06-25].
Doug: many things should be
defined by the host language
... Both HTML and SVG should define click event handling on a link - event bubbles, default action is to fire DOMAction ...
... back to mousewheel
... arve had idea about angle
... Who should default the default handling of wheel event?
smaug: the default handling depends on ctrl, alt keys etc
Doug: I'll put a note that host language should define the default action for the wheel event
<shepazu> angle could be derived from the distance of deltaX and deltaY
Doug: how often would you actually need angle?
smaug: wheelevent should expose the type of the scroll units
Travis: wheelevent should use some common units
Doug: need to discuss about wheel event on the list
Travis: should the default action of wheel fire scroll or cause scroll ?
smaug: cause scroll
which may cause scroll event
Doug: one can change the default
handling of mouse wheel on system; how many lines are
... should we actually have wheel event with its own units, like pixels
Doug: host language defines how
to react to rolls
... roll is abstract unit
I lost connection?
are you there ?
can you hear me?
<shepazu> call back in, maybe?
"The conference is restricted at this time"
can't call in
<shepazu> maybe we should continue on email
<shepazu> and wiki
but check that video, if you haven't
it shows the basic problem
well, one of them
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