<trackbot> Date: 18 June 2008

<shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-eventgroupings-wheelevents

<shepazu> ACTION: smaug to produce test template for D3E [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-webapps-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Produce test template for D3E [on Olli Pettay - due 2008-06-25].

<shepazu> scribe: Olli Pettay

<shepazu> scribeNick: smaug

Wheel Event

<shepazu> file://localhost/Users/schepers/Documents/Work/W3C/Repository/dev/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-eventgroupings-wheelevents

<shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-eventgroupings-wheelevents

Doug: added definitions of roll and rotation

Doug> added definitions of roll and rotation

Travis: so MouseWheel is the legacy event

Doug: there are several different mousewheel events; mouseWheel & DOMMouseScroll
... so new event is created: Wheel
... but still define the legacy MouseWheel

Travis: could add some diagram

<scribe> ACTION: Doug to add a diagram about wheel axes etc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-webapps-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Add a diagram about wheel axes etc [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-06-25].

smaug: problem is that systems produce events with line scroll delta and pixel delta

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robceemoz/2587912633/

<Travis> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-cssom-view-20080222/#scroll-attributes

<Travis> (It's not quite complete, obviously...)

<shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-event-scroll

smaug: scroll event happens after scrolling

Doug: HTML and CSS should define that if element is capable to scroll, scroll should bubble to document

smaug: the default handling shouldn't bubble to document

<arve> [not participating, but following by accident] make sure that the delta is well-defined both in terms of value and direction, browser deviate on both, some send +1 where others send -60

Travis: wondering about the 2nd paragraph of 1.3

checkboxes and radiobuttons are special cases

<shepazu> arve, will do

<arve> shepazu: my highly personal proposal is to define an angle and a distance

<scribe> ACTION: Doug to clarify default actions (section 1.3) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-webapps-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Clarify default actions (section 1.3) [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-06-25].

http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#the-click

Doug: many things should be defined by the host language
... Both HTML and SVG should define click event handling on a link - event bubbles, default action is to fire DOMAction ...
... back to mousewheel
... arve had idea about angle
... Who should default the default handling of wheel event?

smaug: the default handling depends on ctrl, alt keys etc

Doug: I'll put a note that host language should define the default action for the wheel event

<shepazu> angle could be derived from the distance of deltaX and deltaY

Doug: how often would you actually need angle?

smaug: wheelevent should expose the type of the scroll units

Travis: wheelevent should use some common units

Doug: need to discuss about wheel event on the list

Travis: should the default action of wheel fire scroll or cause scroll ?

smaug: cause scroll

which may cause scroll event

Doug: one can change the default handling of mouse wheel on system; how many lines are scrolled
... should we actually have wheel event with its own units, like pixels

<Travis> http://forums.devshed.com/html-programming-1/drop-down-lists-15.html

Doug: host language defines how to react to rolls
... roll is abstract unit

http://mozilla.pettay.fi/moztests/pixelscrolling.mov

I lost connection?

are you there ?

shepazu: ?

<shepazu> hey?

can you hear me?

<shepazu> call back in, maybe?

<shepazu> no

ok

"The conference is restricted at this time"

can't call in

<shepazu> sigh

<shepazu> maybe we should continue on email

sure

<shepazu> and wiki

but check that video, if you haven't

it shows the basic problem

well, one of them

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Found Scribe: Olli Pettay
Found ScribeNick: smaug
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Present: Shepazu smaug [Microsoft]
Regrets: Andrew Emmons
Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/18_Jun_2008
Found Date: 18 Jun 2008
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People with action items: doug smaug

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