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18:31:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAPP
18:31:50 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
18:31:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:31:51 <trackbot> Date: 18 June 2008
18:32:15 <shepazu> Zakim, code?
18:32:15 <Zakim> sorry, shepazu, I don't know what conference this is
18:32:38 <shepazu> Zakim, this is DOM3
18:32:38 <Zakim> shepazu, I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be DOM3".
18:32:56 <shepazu> Zakim, this will be DOM3
18:32:56 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
18:32:59 <Zakim> IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM has now started
18:33:06 <shepazu> Zakim, code?
18:33:06 <Zakim> the conference code is 3663 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shepazu
18:33:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
18:33:12 <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu 
18:33:12 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
18:33:14 <Zakim> +Shepazu
18:33:23 <smaug> Zakim, IPcaller is me
18:33:23 <Zakim> +smaug; got it
18:34:08 <shepazu> Chair: Doug Schepers
18:34:16 <shepazu> Regrets: Andrew Emmons
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18:36:14 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-eventgroupings-wheelevents
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18:47:02 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:49:17 <shepazu> Action: smaug to produce test template for D3E
18:49:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Produce test template for D3E [on Olli Pettay - due 2008-06-25].
18:49:57 <shepazu> scribe: Olli Pettay
18:50:03 <shepazu> scribeNick: smaug 
18:50:56 <smaug> Zakim, list attendees
18:50:56 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Shepazu, smaug, [Microsoft]
18:50:59 <shepazu> Topic: Wheel Event
18:53:31 <shepazu> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/18_Jun_2008
18:53:58 <shepazu> file://localhost/Users/schepers/Documents/Work/W3C/Repository/dev/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-eventgroupings-wheelevents
18:54:13 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-eventgroupings-wheelevents
18:55:13 <smaug> Doug: added definitions of roll and rotation
18:55:32 <smaug> Doug> added definitions of roll and rotation
18:56:11 <smaug> Travis: so MouseWheel is the legacy event
18:57:17 <smaug> Doug: there are several different mousewheel events; mouseWheel & DOMMouseScroll 
18:58:17 <smaug> Doug: so new event is created: Wheel
18:58:34 <smaug> Doug: but still define the legacy MouseWheel
19:01:06 <smaug> Travis: could add some diagram 
19:01:34 <smaug> ACTION: Doug to add a diagram about wheel axes etc
19:01:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Add a diagram about wheel axes etc [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-06-25].
19:04:16 <smaug> smaug: problem is that systems produce events with line scroll delta and pixel delta
19:04:48 <smaug> http://www.flickr.com/photos/robceemoz/2587912633/
19:05:33 <Travis> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-cssom-view-20080222/#scroll-attributes
19:05:47 <Travis> (It's not quite complete, obviously...)
19:09:35 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-event-scroll
19:10:12 <smaug> smaug:scroll event happens after scrolling
19:11:51 <smaug> Doug: HTML and CSS should define that if element is capable to scroll, scroll should bubble to document
19:12:03 <smaug> smaug: the default handling shouldn't bubble to document
19:12:53 <arve> [not participating, but following by accident] make sure that the delta is well-defined both in terms of value and direction, browser deviate on both, some send +1 where others send -60
19:17:47 <smaug> Travis: wondering about the 2nd paragraph of 1.3
19:19:12 <smaug> checkboxes and radiobuttons are special cases
19:19:18 <shepazu> arve, will do
19:19:46 <arve> shepazu: my highly personal proposal is to define an angle and a distance
19:19:55 <smaug> ACTION: Doug to clarify default actions (section 1.3)
19:19:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Clarify default actions (section 1.3) [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-06-25].
19:20:13 <smaug> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#the-click
19:20:52 <smaug> Doug: many things should be defined by the host language
19:21:57 <smaug> Doug: Both HTML and SVG should define click event handling on a link - event bubbles, default action is to fire DOMAction ...
19:23:10 <smaug> Doug: back to mousewheel
19:24:02 <smaug> Doug: arve had idea about angle
19:25:22 <smaug> Doug: Who should default the default handling of wheel event?
19:27:01 <smaug> smaug: the default handling depends on ctrl, alt keys etc
19:28:49 <smaug> Doug: I'll put a note that host language should define the default action for the wheel event
19:29:21 <shepazu> angle could be derived from the distance of deltaX and deltaY
19:30:20 <smaug> Doug: how often would you actually need angle?
19:34:37 <smaug> smaug: wheelevent should expose the type of the scroll units
19:36:01 <smaug> Travis: wheelevent should use some common units
19:39:51 <smaug> Doug: need to discuss about wheel event on the list
19:40:25 <smaug> Travis: should the default action of wheel fire scroll or cause scroll ?
19:40:33 <smaug> smaug: cause scroll
19:40:39 <smaug> which may cause scroll event
19:43:06 <smaug> Doug: one can change the default handling of mouse wheel on system; how many lines are scrolled
19:44:14 <smaug> Doug: should we actually have wheel event with its own units, like pixels
19:47:31 <Travis> http://forums.devshed.com/html-programming-1/drop-down-lists-15.html
19:51:58 <smaug> Doug: host language defines how to react to rolls
19:59:16 <smaug> Doug: roll is abstract unit
20:01:36 <smaug> http://mozilla.pettay.fi/moztests/pixelscrolling.mov
20:03:00 <smaug> I lost connection?
20:03:03 <smaug> are you there ?
20:03:25 <smaug> shepazu: ?
20:03:38 <shepazu> hey?
20:03:47 <smaug> can you hear me?
20:03:47 <shepazu> call back in, maybe?
20:03:49 <shepazu> no
20:03:50 <smaug> ok
20:05:25 <smaug> "The conference is restricted at this  time"
20:05:51 <smaug> can't call in
20:06:01 <shepazu> sigh
20:06:43 <shepazu> maybe we should continue on email
20:06:49 <smaug> sure
20:06:53 <shepazu> and wiki
20:07:00 <smaug> but check that video, if you haven't
20:07:09 <smaug> it shows the basic problem
20:07:16 <smaug> well, one of them
20:07:41 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
20:07:43 <shepazu> Zakim, bye
20:07:43 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Shepazu, smaug, [Microsoft]
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20:07:53 <shepazu> RRSAgent, make minutes
20:07:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-webapps-minutes.html shepazu