W3C

RDF in XHTML Task Force

12 Jun 2008

Agenda

See also: IRC log, previous 2008-06-05

Attendees

Present
Shane McCarron, Manu Sporny, Ben Adida, Ralph Swick
Regrets
Mark Birbeck, Michael Hausenblas, Steven Pemberton
Chair
Ben Adida
Scribe
Manu Sporny

Contents


XHTML Modularization

ShaneM: Quick update on Modularization

ShaneM: should go to PR today
... Modularization 1.1 includes a schema implementation, we shouldn't change our doc yet.
... We should announce this on rdfa.info

Action Items

ACTION: [DONE] Manu complete test suite [by Thursday 12 June] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

ACTION: Mark to tweak paragraph 3.9 of the spec on fragments. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [DONE]

ACTION: Ralph confirm whether LGPL is ok with W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action03] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Ralph to help Ben with Last Call Comment report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Shane produce a CR-ready draft for SWD and XHTML2 WGs to approve [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] [DONE]

ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Manu to reach out to Slashdot and attempt to get RDFa integrated into Slashdot. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Manu to determine which useless-triples test cases to remove and which to add. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [DONE]

Test Cases

rdfa-test-harness

Manu: tests 107, 108, and 109 were already in the suite but hadn't been committed
... so I sent duplicate numbers in recent email

-- Test #107: no garbage collecting bnodes

Manu: 107, 108, 109, 110, and 111 all pass 3 of the implementations
... 107 sets up the multiple bnode [not] garbage collecting
... 107 checks that there is no bnode created by this hanging @rel

<ShaneM> Seems fine

RESOLUTION: test 107 accepted

-- Test #108: plain literal with datatype="" and xml:lang preservation

Manu: I believe we had accepted this but I could not find a record
... 108 tests that lang is preserved
... we had previously decided not to test whitespace preservation
... but this test does also include whitespace preservation
... I don't think it hurts

Ralph: we should not change it to the alternative; collapsed whitespace

Manu: also uses UTF-8 string

Shane: I noted that the N-triples spec requires escaping of Unicode

Ben: N-triples and N3 are parsed differently

RESOLUTION: test 108 accepted

-- Test #109: Tests to ensure @xml:base is ignored

Manu: 109 was on hold because it's not valid XHTML
... because it uses xml:base
... it is well-formed, however

Ben: I think it's OK to have a test like this; people will add non-XHTML attributes

Ralph: can we move the comment to preceed HEAD?

<ShaneM> looks fine

Ralph: forget it; the comment is in the right place

RESOLUTION: test 109 accepted

-- Test #110: bNode generated even though no nested @about exists

Manu: inner DIV causes the object for the containing DIV to be completed with a bnode
... we're testing that only one bnode is generated

Ben: is there no way to test that a second triple is absent?
... I don't really think we need to add such a test; 107 is sufficient

Manu: we've stated no extra triples should be generated in the default graph but the tests will pass if there are extra triples

Ben: except for the negative tests

<ShaneM> +1

RESOLUTION: test 110 accepted

-- Test #111: two bNodes generated after three levels of nesting

Manu: 111 is another like 110; here, we do generate 2 related bnodes

<ShaneM> +1

RESOLUTION: test 111 accepted

<ShaneM> and XHTML M12N PR is up!

-- Test 112 (new)

<msporny> OLD_0107.xhtml

<msporny> OLD_0107.sparql

Manu: rename this to test 112
... it is like 108 but doesn't use Greek

RESOLUTION: (new) test 112 accepted

<ShaneM> huzzah!

Ralph: can we host the test harness on w3.org now or is that going to be too inconvenient for you, Manu?

Manu: should be ok to move now. I'll make you some instructions
... only uses python

Ralph: ok. If it's easy, I think we should host it at w3.org just to deflect possible questions

Disposition of Comments

<RalphS> RDFa in XHTML 1.1 Last Call Disposition of Comments

Ben: This URL is an XSLT of the datadump
... I'll have to go through and clean it up
... all issues are closed
... Except for TimBL's comments.
... everyone has responded positively

<ShaneM> nice.

Ben: Is this pretty much done Ralph?

Ralph: More or less.

Ben: It'll be cleaned up, of course.

<ShaneM> fwiw the xhtml 2 working group doesn't ever clean up the data

<ShaneM> we just put in a caveat that the issues might have typos and they belong to the submitters

Ben: Is it important to see what the commenter said and whether we agree with it or not?

Ralph: we need to record that somehow, yes.

Ben: We should make it contain RDFa.

<ShaneM> about="tracker issue URI"

Ben: What's the process for scheduling with Steve?

<ShaneM> has the SWD approved the CR transition

Ralph: I'll notify him.

Ben: This should be done by Sunday night.

<benadida> http://ben.adida.net/busy/

Ralph: hopefully we'll hear back from Tim before then.
... Is the primer completely done?

Ben: It didn't get voted on did it?

Ralph: It did get voted on.

Ben: I would like to do one last pass for typos.

Ralph: Typos shouldn't be an issue.

Ben: Nothing significant is going to change.

Ralph: We don't need it for the transition call.
... We're trying to get both documents in the publication request.

Ben: I'll make a pass by Mon/Tues at the latest.

Summary of Action Items

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Manu to reach out to Slashdot and attempt to get RDFa integrated into Slashdot. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph confirm whether LGPL is ok with W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to help Ben with Last Call Comment report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]
 
[DONE] ACTION: Manu complete test suite [by Thursday 12 June] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
[DONE] ACTION: Manu to determine which useless-triples test cases to remove and which to add. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
[DONE] ACTION: Mark to tweak paragraph 3.9 of the spec on fragments. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
[DONE] ACTION: Shane produce a CR-ready draft for SWD and XHTML2 WGs to approve [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]
 
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