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Weekly Forms WG Teleconference

21 May 2008

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Charlie, +1.250.294.aaaa, +1.919.254.aabb, wellsk, +03491211aacc, Rafael, unl, ebruchez, John_Boyer, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Leigh_Klotz, Steven
Regrets
MarkB
Chair
John
Scribe
Leigh

Contents

 

 

<John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh

<John_Boyer> scribenick: klotz

<John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0051.html

<scribe> ACTION: Keith Wells to contact sf.net author of HTML4 to XForms stylesheet [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-forms-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-461 - Wells to contact sf.net author of HTML4 to XForms stylesheet [on Keith Wells - due 2008-05-28].

<nick> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Test/XForms1.1/Edition1/driverPages/html/index.html

<Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Test/

<scribe> ACTION: Keith Wells to report on status of Mozilla Firefox XForms extension XForms 1.1 test suite. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-forms-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-462 - Wells to report on status of Mozilla Firefox XForms extension XForms 1.1 test suite. [on Keith Wells - due 2008-05-28].

<unl> I don't know much about Chiba anymore ...

<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Preliminary_XForms_1.1_Implementations

DataMobile sp?

<Roger> DataMovil

<nick> latest version : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/att-0052/actions-2008-05-19.html

<nick> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0118.html

<John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0133.html

<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#evt-revalidate

<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#submit-evt-submit

<nick> don't we also have a problem with alert

<nick> you also want access then for it for styling

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/March-May_2008_Newsletter

<John_Boyer> Proposal: Change definition of "valid" to include "required and non-empty OR non-required"

<John_Boyer> definition of invalid includes "required but empty"

<John_Boyer> and submission validation can then just refer to validity tests defined in the section on xforms-revalidate

<nick> john is it possible to add the empty styling to the resolution?

<nick> thanks

<John_Boyer> and CSS appendix should add definition of 'empty' class and example of how to style "invalid but empty"

<John_Boyer> for 1.1?

<nick> for me 1.1 is ok

<ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#empty-pseudo

<nick> value-empty is fine for me

<unl> xforms-invalid-empty

empty-value ?

<unl> ok

ok

<unl> :valid & :invalid

:invalid+:empty

<John_Boyer> :invalid+:value-empty

<John_Boyer> Look good?

:value-invalid+:value-empty

<unl> what about constraint invalidity?

<ebruchez> a:focus:hover

<John_Boyer> At some point in the future, we could talk about :invalid-constraint, :invalid-type, etc.

xf|input:valid-empty:invalue

<John_Boyer> Proposal: change valid/invalid definition to account for required but empty, change submission validation to match, and add CSS pseudoclass and example for "value-empty"

<unl> when we want to add :invalid-constraint, :invalid-type later, i'd still prefer :invalid-empty

<John_Boyer> it woudl actually be invalid-required

<unl> ok

<John_Boyer> it is invalid because it fails the required condition

RESOLUTION: change valid/invalid definition to account for required but empty, change submission validation to match, and add CSS pseudoclass and example for "value-empty"

<scribe> ACTION: John Boyer and Leigh Klotz to change valid/invalid definition to account for required but empty, change submission validation to match, and add CSS pseudoclass and example for "value-empty" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-forms-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John

<trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)

<scribe> ACTION: trackbot-ng to get less annoying. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-forms-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - trackbot-ng

<John_Boyer> xforms-submit-done response-body and host language submission result targeting

<John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0048.html

<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#submit-evt-submit-error

<John_Boyer> the error event contains response-body

<John_Boyer> but not the done event

<nick> at the time we wanted to have the body in the failure case to get the error out of the body

<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#submit-evt-submit-done

<John_Boyer> Why inconsistent?

<nick> I think no one had a use case for the body in a successful submit

<nick> or came forward with one

2008-04-30.txt: 103:Erik: if we had 'response-body' on xforms-submit-done, we could write &lt;setvalue ev:event="xforms-submit-done" ref="/foo/bar" value="event('response-body')"/>. We have it for xforms-submit-error but not xforms-submit-done. So if our proposed solution is longer than this we aren't achieving anything great.

<nick> I don't think chiba reads the body with replace none

<nick> if replace is all the 'XForms processor' doesn't needs to 'read' the body he may just forward the response stream to the container if the container supports that

<nick> mute me

<nick> is it really needed

<nick> we are past last call...

<Charlie> -1

<Charlie> yup

<Steven> bye

<nick> talk to you next week

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: John Boyer and Leigh Klotz to change valid/invalid definition to account for required but empty, change submission validation to match, and add CSS pseudoclass and example for "value-empty" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-forms-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Keith Wells to contact sf.net author of HTML4 to XForms stylesheet [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-forms-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Keith Wells to report on status of Mozilla Firefox XForms extension XForms 1.1 test suite. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-forms-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: trackbot-ng to get less annoying. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-forms-minutes.html#action04]
 
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