W3C

SWD WG

12 Feb 2008

Agenda

See also: IRC log, previous 2008-02-05

Attendees

Present
Tom Baker, Ralph Swick, Manu Sporny, Quentin Reul, Guus Schreiber, Ed Summers, Antoine Isaac, Simone Onofri, Vit Novacek, Margherita Sini, Diego Berrueta, Sean Bechhofer
Regrets
Jon Phipps, Michael Hausenblas, Daniel Rubin, Elisa Kendall, Clay Redding
Chair
Tom
Scribe
Quentin

Contents


 

 

Admin

RESOLVED to accept minutes of the Feb 5 telecon

Next telecon on Feb 19th

ACTION: Chairs to put schedule review on agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action24] [CONTINUES]

RDFa

<Ralph> Ben's mail

<edsu> there was also thoughts on reviewers' comments

Tom says that we should have reviewed RDFa before submitting but
... needing an email from the authors before the submission takes place

Guus informs it's not a submission problem, but the note should provide an explanation of
... an explanation of how the authors have resolved the comments from different reviewers (i.e. Ed and Diego).
... this could be done by simply linking section from revised editor's draft to specific reviewers' comments.

Tom concurs with point raised by Guus
... and points out that reviewers should have a look at comments once available.

ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Ben to prepare the email to request the decision for publishing on Feb 12th [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action24] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Ralph to let the task force know that SWD require extended response on editor's draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action04]

RalphLast Thursday Shane informed the RDFa telecon that XHTML2 Working Group was happy with current version of editors' draft
... but mentioned that XHTML2 WG focuses on different aspects (e.g. modularity) than SWD WG.

<Ralph> XHTML2 WG resolution

Guus says that we need to indicate that the current draft is the RDFa Last Call review
... that the WG should define aa deadline for comments.
... 4 to 6 weeks is the minimum time frame for comments

ACTION: Ralph to ask task force to recommend appropriate time frame for RDFa Last Call review period [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action16]

Ralph [If an RDFa Last Call were published end of Feb, then 6 weeks puts us just before WWW2008]

SKOS

SKOS Primer

Antoine sent proposal to move SKOS Primer forward
... and asked reviewers to make final comments on revised version.
... He highlighted that Margherita had given further comments to be implemented

Margherita mentioned that most of her comments could be implemented in the next version

Quentin commented that some points raised by Margherita were quite important,
... especially moving to Turtle syntax (+ asked clarification).
... mentioned that the 4 four points raised by Antoine shouldn't hold up publication of WD

Antoine insured that current draft was compliant with Turtle,
... but the the problem is just that the examples cited N3 but really only used Turtle.
... fixed in the latest working draft (12 Feb editor's draft)

Quentin agreed that the revision should allow version to be released as WG

<aliman> +1

<edsu> Ralph++

RESOLUTION: SKOS Primer to be published

ACTION: Ralph to publish Feb 12th version of SKOS primer as working draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action05]

SKOS Reference

Tom raised several SKOS Core Vocabulary of 2005 - issues
... the first one wrt deprecated properties from the SKOS Core
... the second wrt the RDF schema used and whether it would cause problems to people using SKOS Core RDF schema.
... This is raised by the SKOS Reference replaces the previous SKOS Core published in 2005

Sean says that the RDF schema could be produced relatively easily

Alistair not sure how to cover the deprecated properties from SKOS Core.
... One solution is to re-use current namespace for the SKOS reference/

Tom highlights that this requires deprecated properties to be removed from namespace.
... if it is ok with SKOS community this could be done but shouldn't if people using the deprecated properties
... SKOS Reference should point to RDF schema and explains why it's out of synch

Alistair asks whether Tome would be happy to resolve this issue
... by mentioning that RDF schema will be done at a later date in the current SKOS reference.

Tom agrees with this proposal.
... but someone need to look at consequences to remove these properties.

Ralph if we decide that the SKOS Specification makes no mention of the old
... deprecated properties, then those properties should also be removed from the namespace document

Ed says that a group is using subject indexing but skos:subject is in doubt (Skos subject properties are deprecated)

Alistair says these have not been formarly deprecated yet

ACTION: Sean to propose a way to handle deprecated properties (Updating RDF schema) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action06]

ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40 (Concept Coordination) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action09] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which aspects of the extension module should be in scope for the candidate recommendation package. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10] [CONTINUES]

Ralph mentions that Alistair keeps highlighting that the isDefinedBy property doesn't exist anymore

SKOS Issues

ISSUE 31

Alistair proposed a resolution for this issue
... says that the resolution still stands and wonders whether it could be resolved today

<Antoine> +1

Tom: Alistair proposed that skos:preLabel should only have one value per language
... says that it seems to be an adequate resolution

<seanb> +1

<edsu> +1

RESOLVED ISSUE-31 is as per email (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jan/0191.html)

Margherita highlights that the resolution only covers one point of ISSUE-31

Alistair points out that S11 covers the number of prefLabel per natural language
... and S10 covers clashes between the use of similar value for skos:prefLabel for different concepts.

Ralph asks if there is a specific statement covering the resolution.

Sean highlights that the resolution is clear to WG members but could still be considered as ambiguous

Ralph seconds the resolution as long as a separate issue looks at the clarity of the document. (ISSUE 67)

ISSUE 47

Antoine proposes two solutions to resolve this issue
... first relies on name class to express context
... second consist in adding a new resource for the mapping relation,
... but need to investigate advantages and disadvantages of either solutions.

Guus still thinking about both solution and considers asking people outside the SWD WG

ISSUE 54

Alistair and Antoine thinks ISSUE 54 was resolved following the Amsterdam f2f in October.
... Antoine mentions that issue 80 carries forward the remaining parts of 54

ACTION: Antoine to propose a resolution for ISSUE 54 by next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action11]

ACTION: Alistair and Antoine to propose priorities on how to resolve ISSUE 56 to ISSUE 84 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action12]

Guus says that most work on SKOS might be resolved by May.
... hence proposes to hold a another f2f to solved remaining issues
... one and half day meeting (4-7th May 2008)

Recipes

ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [CONTINUES]

Vocabulary Management

ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07] [CONTINUES]

Vit mentions that the list should make comment on the New Editor's Draft Available

Tom this will be discussed next week

<Ralph> 04-Feb Vocab Management Editor's Draft

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Alistair and Antoine to propose priorities on how to resolve ISSUE 56 to ISSUE 84 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Antoine to propose a resolution for ISSUE 54 by next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph to ask task force to recommend appropriate time frame for RDFa Last Call review period [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph to let the task force know that SWD require extended response on editor's draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph to publish Feb 12th version of SKOS primer as working draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Sean to propose a way to handle deprecated properties (Updating RDF schema) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action06]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40 (Concept Coordination) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which aspects of the extension module should be in scope for the candidate recommendation package. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/11-swd-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to prepare the email to request the decision for publishing on Feb 12th [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action24]
[PENDING] ACTION: Chairs to put schedule review on agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action24]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07]
 
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