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<trackbot-ng> Date: 05 February 2008
<gcowe> hi!
<scribe> scribe: pauld
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pauld: sorry, didn't get an agenda for today!
minutes from 2008-01-30, 2008-01-31, 2008-02-01 F2F (W3C ERCIM Sophia Antipolis, France)
2007-12-18 teleconference
2007-10-30 teleconference
2007-10-09, 2007-10-10, 2007-10-11 Interoperability Workshop (BT, London, England)
2007-08-01, 2007-08-02, 2007-08-03 F2F (Origo, Edinburgh, Scotland) approved!
pauld: topics for today
... idea was to move to Last Call on Basic, review where we are
with our standing issues, detection and test suite
george: generated reports for 10 toolkits, took longer than I expected as new patterns caused barfing
<Yves> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/report/all.html
george: don't have the environments for BEA, ZSI etc
pauld: OK, we can't carry on doing this for ever
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/report/basic.html
we've a lot of white, does that mean we didn't run the tests, not that they barfed
george: new examples means we get
an unbalanced view
... if we don't rerun a toolkit, we need to remove it
pauld: prefer to highlight where it barfed rather than when we didn't run it
maybe I could regenerate this: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/venn/venn.html
yves: I have the list of which examples aren't good
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2008Jan/att-0003/process.jpg
yves: I can add "exclude error" which will turn white to red for barfing
george: concerned that some tools have more green than others, just because we haven't rerun them
pauld: seems ok but we need to
change the text "(White) indicates the test was not run. Often
this is because the toolkit was unable to consume the XML
Schema or WSDL document." for skipped in the report
... I will fix that
... so as far as testing goes, we need Yves fix, my venn
regenerated/improved and change to text
... also nice to see if we can't get Adrian to help re-run
<gcowe> Spring (Castor) and BEA Weblogic testsuite not successfully run yet.
<gcowe> Axis 1.4, Axi2 1.3 (ADB), Axis2 1.3 (XMLBeans), .Net, Mono, Spring (JAXB2), Spring (XMLBeans), Spring (XMLBeans), XFire and XFire (XMLBeans) all rerun successfully. Can Yves rerun report?
yves: more vendor tools, the better
<gcowe> and PHP too! nearly forgot about that one.
<Yves> the report is up to date
pauld: would be good to tidy the report up ahead of a director's call
<Yves> I will rerun after editing the toolkit.xml
yves: the service works with the
directly with the patternsdetector.xsl latest
... uses the standard W3C XSLT service
... if you want to run on a local schema, you can download the
command line version
george: you need to work from the command line, not as simple as using the web site
pauld: wonder if there is a quick
win using an online service, sounds like a similar issue to the
microformats stylesheet/plugins
... ok, who knows, the stylesheet may find its way into Oxygen,
XMLSpy, etc
we need to do more work on this and the collection before we can progress Advanced
pauld: suspect we need more work, and as we add more patterns, we'll need to do more work to make them coherent
george: I spotted a couple with maxOccurs which seemed unnecessary
pauld: thanks Jon for your
patterns text
... will try to incorporate the text in a human readable, but
precise way (a challenge!)
jonc: I think we need more explanation of XPaths
pauld: worried we sail down a
slippery slope, but will try
... any objections on moving Basic to second Last Call,
expecting it'll go to PR>
... none heard
yves: four weeks is the minimum, seems sufficient for me. We didn't make many changes.
pauld: we made a resolution to move dateTime to advanced based on testing, but how do we feel about that now?
george: happy for it to be in advanced, does have issues.
yves: they're ok, so long as they're between 1970 and 2038 and timezone qualified, and 5 digit years!
pauld: so we're still OK with
Advanced?
... tools map it to a programming dateTime type which isn't a
good fit
... next call in two weeks time, when we'll look at
Advanced
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