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15:01:14 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: XML Schema Patterns for Databinding Working Group Teleconference
15:01:14 <trackbot-ng> Date: 05 February 2008
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15:01:35 <Zakim> +George_Cowe
15:02:38 <gcowe> hi!
15:05:18 <pauld> zakim, code?
15:05:18 <Zakim> the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), pauld
15:05:56 <Zakim> + +7.918.8.aaaa
15:06:14 <pauld> zakim, aaaa is me
15:06:14 <Zakim> +Yves
15:06:15 <Zakim> +pauld; got it
15:06:38 <pauld> scribe: pauld 
15:06:47 <pauld> Topic Administrivia
15:07:04 <pauld> pauld: sorry, didn't get an agenda for today!
15:09:33 <pauld> minutes from 2008-01-30, 2008-01-31, 2008-02-01 F2F (W3C ERCIM Sophia Antipolis, France)
15:09:35 <pauld> 2007-12-18 teleconference
15:09:36 <pauld> 2007-10-30 teleconference
15:09:38 <pauld> 2007-10-09, 2007-10-10, 2007-10-11 Interoperability Workshop (BT, London, England)
15:09:39 <pauld> 2007-08-01, 2007-08-02, 2007-08-03 F2F (Origo, Edinburgh, Scotland) approved!
15:09:52 <pauld> pauld: topics for today
15:10:48 <pauld> .. idea was to move to Last Call on Basic, review where we are with our standing issues, detection and test suite
15:11:09 <pauld> Topic: ISSUE-2: test suite
15:11:47 <pauld> george: generated reports for 10 toolkits, took longer than I expected as new patterns caused barfing
15:11:52 <Yves> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/report/all.html
15:12:08 <pauld> george: don't have the environments for BEA, ZSI etc
15:13:02 <pauld> pauld: OK, we can't carry on doing this for ever
15:14:23 <pauld> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/report/basic.html
15:14:50 <pauld> we've a lot of white, does that mean we didn't run the tests, not that they barfed
15:15:08 <pauld> george: new examples means we get an unbalanced view
15:15:26 <pauld> george: if we don't rerun a toolkit, we need to remove it
15:15:51 <pauld> pauld: prefer to highlight where it barfed rather than when we didn't run it
15:19:13 <pauld> maybe I could regenerate this: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/venn/venn.html
15:20:21 <pauld> yves: I have the list of which examples aren't good
15:20:23 <pauld> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2008Jan/att-0003/process.jpg
15:24:07 <pauld> yves: I can add "exclude error" which will turn white to red for barfing
15:24:32 <pauld> george: concerned that some tools have more green than others, just because we haven't rerun them
15:24:56 <pauld> pauld: seems ok but we need to change the text "(White) indicates the test was not run. Often this is because the toolkit was unable to consume the XML Schema or WSDL document." for skipped in the report
15:25:07 <pauld> pauld: I will fix that
15:26:01 <pauld> pauld: so as far as testing goes, we need Yves fix, my venn regenerated/improved and change to text
15:26:13 <pauld> .. also nice to see if we can't get Adrian to help re-run
15:27:22 <Zakim> +??P0
15:27:56 <gcowe> Spring (Castor) and BEA Weblogic testsuite not successfully run yet. 
15:29:57 <gcowe> Axis 1.4, Axi2 1.3 (ADB), Axis2 1.3 (XMLBeans), .Net, Mono, Spring (JAXB2), Spring (XMLBeans), Spring (XMLBeans), XFire and XFire (XMLBeans) all rerun successfully. Can Yves rerun report?
15:30:05 <pauld> yves: more vendor tools, the better
15:30:23 <gcowe> and PHP too! nearly forgot about that one.
15:31:01 <Yves> the report is up to date
15:31:13 <pauld> pauld: would be good to tidy the report up ahead of a director's call
15:31:25 <Yves> I will rerun after editing the toolkit.xml
15:33:25 <pauld> Topic: ISSUE-12: identifying a conformant schema
15:35:50 <pauld> yves: the service works with the directly with the patternsdetector.xsl latest
15:36:41 <pauld> yves: uses the standard W3C XSLT service
15:37:25 <pauld> yves: if you want to run on a local schema, you can download the command line version
15:38:02 <pauld> george: you need to work from the command line, not as simple as using the web site
15:39:45 <pauld> pauld: wonder if there is a quick win using an online service, sounds like a similar issue to the microformats stylesheet/plugins
15:41:49 <pauld> pauld: ok, who knows, the stylesheet may find its way into Oxygen, XMLSpy, etc
15:43:13 <pauld> we need to do more work on this and the collection before we can progress Advanced
15:43:23 <pauld> zakim, mute jonc
15:43:23 <Zakim> JonC should now be muted
15:45:03 <pauld> pauld: suspect we need more work, and as we add more patterns, we'll need to do more work to make them coherent
15:46:02 <pauld> george: I spotted a couple with maxOccurs which seemed unnecessary 
15:46:19 <pauld> Topic: Basic Last Call
15:46:34 <pauld> zakim, unmute jonc
15:46:34 <Zakim> JonC should no longer be muted
15:47:06 <pauld> pauld: thanks Jon for your patterns text
15:54:43 <pauld> pauld: will try to incorporate the text in a human readable, but precise way (a challenge!)
15:57:22 <pauld> jonc: I think we need more explanation of XPaths
15:57:49 <pauld> pauld: worried we sail down a slippery slope, but will try
15:58:33 <pauld> pauld: any objections on moving Basic to second Last Call, expecting it'll go to PR>
15:58:54 <pauld> pauld: none heard
15:59:54 <pauld> yves: four weeks is the minimum, seems sufficient for me. We didn't make many changes.
16:02:02 <pauld> pauld: we made a resolution to move dateTime to advanced based on testing, but how do we feel about that now?
16:02:19 <pauld> george: happy for it to be in advanced, does have issues.
16:03:08 <pauld> yves: they're ok, so long as they're between 1970 and 2038 and timezone qualified, and 5 digit years!
16:03:21 <pauld> pauld: so we're still OK with Advanced?
16:04:01 <pauld> .. tools map it to a programming dateTime type which isn't a good fit
16:05:19 <pauld> pauld: next call in two weeks time, when we'll look at Advanced
16:05:53 <pauld> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:05:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/05-databinding-minutes.html pauld
16:06:02 <Zakim> -pauld
16:06:04 <Zakim> -JonC
16:06:12 <Zakim> -George_Cowe
16:06:24 <Zakim> -Yves
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16:06:36 <Zakim> Attendees were George_Cowe, +7.918.8.aaaa, Yves, pauld, JonC
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