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Weekly Forms WG teleconference

23 Jan 2008

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
CharlieW, +1.250.294.aaaa, wellsk, John_Boyer, unl, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Steven, Leigh_Klotz, +34.91.2.aabb, Rafael, Roger, jturner, Schnitz
Regrets
MarkB, Erik
Chair
John
Scribe
Leigh

Contents

 

nice

Steven, thanks for doing the typing

<Steven> :-)

<scribe> Scribe: Leigh

<nick> john I'm here

<nick> did anybody already booked a hotel for the ftf?

<nick> http://www.radisson.com/researchtrianglenc/

<wellsk> wellsk, mute me

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jan/0010.html

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Nested_models_for_convenient_grouping_and_composition

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Externally_defined_models_with_src_attribute

<nick> I can do that

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Add_model_item_properties_to_UI_level

<unl> i don't like this idea at all ...

<nick> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Add_model_item_properties_to_UI_level

<klotz> "This above all: to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man. "

<CharlieW> Amen

<klotz> +1

<Schnitz> I prefer dogs over cats, too

<Schnitz> I'm a cat too much of myself already...

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Unified_evaluation_context

<input name="result" calculate="a + b"> ...

not

<input name="result" calculate="../a + ../b"> ...

The first is much easier to write

<data> <a/> <b/> <result/> <a/> <b/> <result/> </data>

<bind nodeset="result"> <bind context=".." calculate="a + b"/> </bind>

<CharlieW> * back in 5

<bind nodeset="result"> <calculate context=".." value="a+b"/> </bind>

<wellsk> wouldn't this also help in cross model use cases?

come back Steven!

<klotz> Charlie said "back in 5" and we heard a click.

<wellsk> me too

<Roger> we can hear John too

<CharlieW> * is back

<unl> why?

<nick> but if you can use the instance() function in the context you can use it also directly in the calculate

<nick> (with 'the' I mean the one that goes cross model)

<model id="outer"> <model id="inner"> <instance id="X"> ... </model> <bind nodeset="result"> <calculate context="instance('X')" value="a+b"/>

<nick> is equal to <bind nodeset="result" calculate="instance('X')/a + instance('X')/b" />

Turn that inside out.

yes, Nick, except the outer model author will have an easier time with the context attr

<nick> but isn't charlie going to write something now?

<nick> You can put on my list

<nick> it

<nick> ok

<unl> yes

<Schnitz> yup

<jturner> yes

something's wrong with your connection only

<Steven> ok

<nick> I can do it

Default values on controls

<klotz> ACTION: Nick van den Bleeken to take on general topic of http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Unified_evaluation_context but with changes as necessary. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/23-forms-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-447 - Van den Bleeken to take on general topic of http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Unified_evaluation_context but with changes as necessary. [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2008-01-30].

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Add_support_for_default_values_without_the_need_of_an_instance_element

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Add_model_item_properties_to_UI_level

<klotz> ACTION: Nick van den Bleeken on strawman proposal writing for http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Add_model_item_properties_to_UI_level [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/23-forms-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-448 - Van den Bleeken on strawman proposal writing for http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Add_model_item_properties_to_UI_level [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2008-01-30].

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Nested_models_for_convenient_grouping_and_composition

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Externally_defined_models_with_src_attribute

<klotz> ACTION: Charlie Wiecha and Mark Birbeck to write strawman for http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Nested_models_for_convenient_grouping_and_composition [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/23-forms-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Charlie

<nick> hmmm, missed that

<nick> do you have a link?

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jan/0011.html

<nick> thanks

Default values on controls

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Add_support_for_default_values_without_the_need_of_an_instance_element

<nick> default-value ;)

<nick> that is esay I guess, just create the implicit instance and serialize it

<nick> also serializing non-relevant nodes

<Schnitz> yup

<Schnitz> default

<nick> don't like value, because it isn't the real value, but the initial value

<Steven> initial=

<Schnitz> initial is cool too

<Schnitz> ?

<Schnitz> right

<Schnitz> Raggett would have called it

<Schnitz> StartWith

<Schnitz> or BeginWith

<Schnitz> or show

<Schnitz> or even better! Intent-based "propose=

<Schnitz> "propose to the user"...

<Schnitz> == default value

<Schnitz> anyways

<Roger> implicit

<Steven> The value of calling it value is that it is valuable to specify that the initial value is the value of vlaue

<Schnitz> LOL

<Schnitz> Steven, R U serious?

<Schnitz> ;-)

<Schnitz> default

<Schnitz> default:value

<unl> i'd prefer 'initial', because it makes it more clear

<Schnitz> :-

<Schnitz> )

<nick> zakim mute me

<Schnitz> unl, very german

<unl> sorry

<Schnitz> I like "propose" (to the user)

<Schnitz> unl, no prob :-) kiddin'

<Schnitz> propose would be so Raggett HTML style

<Schnitz> like "needed" instead of required

<unl> :-o

<Schnitz> bye!

<jturner> thx bye

<unl> bye

<jturner> bye

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Charlie Wiecha and Mark Birbeck to write strawman for http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Nested_models_for_convenient_grouping_and_composition [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/23-forms-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Nick van den Bleeken on strawman proposal writing for http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Add_model_item_properties_to_UI_level [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/23-forms-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Nick van den Bleeken to take on general topic of http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Unified_evaluation_context but with changes as necessary. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/23-forms-minutes.html#action01]
 
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