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<sandro> Guest: Richard (cygri) Cyganiak, http://richard.cyganiak.de/, DERI
13:00:22 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/31-egov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/31-egov-irc ←
13:00:31 <josema> trackbot, start telcon
José Alonso: trackbot, start telcon ←
13:00:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
13:00:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV ←
13:00:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM already started ←
13:00:36 <josema> chair: josema
13:00:36 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
13:00:36 <trackbot> Date: 31 March 2010
13:01:06 <josema> agenda+Agenda adjustments and next meetings
José Alonso: agenda+Agenda adjustments and next meetings ←
13:01:15 <josema> agenda+ Review of open actions
José Alonso: agenda+ Review of open actions ←
13:01:25 <josema> agenda+ Projects: status report from coordinators
José Alonso: agenda+ Projects: status report from coordinators ←
13:01:38 <josema> agenda+ What's going on / coming up
José Alonso: agenda+ What's going on / coming up ←
13:01:47 <josema> agenda+ Discussion on data catalogues
José Alonso: agenda+ Discussion on data catalogues ←
13:01:50 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:01:59 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:01:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see George
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see George ←
13:02:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot ←
13:02:42 <sandro> zakim, this is egov
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this is egov ←
13:02:42 <Zakim> sandro, this was already T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, this was already T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM ←
13:02:43 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM ←
13:02:49 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
13:02:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see George
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see George ←
13:02:56 <sandro> zakim, what is the code?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, what is the code? ←
13:02:56 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), sandro ←
13:03:37 <cygri> hi folks. is the call *now*? i can't dial in, it tells me the conference is restricted
Richard Cyganiak: hi folks. is the call *now*? i can't dial in, it tells me the conference is restricted ←
13:03:42 <sandro> yeah.
Sandro Hawke: yeah. ←
13:03:44 <ChrisB> saem
Chris Beer: saem ←
13:03:45 <sandro> it's broken.
Sandro Hawke: it's broken. ←
13:03:47 <ChrisB> *same
Chris Beer: *same ←
13:03:56 <John> Me too...
John Sheridan: Me too... ←
13:04:05 <ChrisB> bugger...
Chris Beer: bugger... ←
13:04:07 <josema> I don't even get the error message
José Alonso: I don't even get the error message ←
13:04:51 <ChrisB> I can see the e-Gov IG note now - "Best Practices in using Technology.... Don't!" lol
Chris Beer: I can see the e-Gov IG note now - "Best Practices in using Technology.... Don't!" lol ←
13:05:00 <josema> zakim sees George but he's not on IRC, so we cannot ask him :(
José Alonso: zakim sees George but he's not on IRC, so we cannot ask him :( ←
13:05:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, George, in T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, George, in T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM ←
13:05:03 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended ←
13:05:03 <Zakim> Attendees were George
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were George ←
13:05:41 <sandro> I wish.
Sandro Hawke: I wish. ←
13:05:45 <sandro> I'm trying to reach someone.
Sandro Hawke: I'm trying to reach someone. ←
13:05:57 <josema> ok, thx, sandro
José Alonso: ok, thx, sandro ←
13:06:40 <ChrisB> I think I'm in...
Chris Beer: I think I'm in... ←
13:06:48 <ChrisB> accepted the code
Chris Beer: accepted the code ←
13:06:52 <edsu> is the meeting over?
Ed Summers: is the meeting over? ←
13:06:53 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:06:53 <Zakim> apparently T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: apparently T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended, josema ←
13:06:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see fadi, edsu, cygri, John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see fadi, edsu, cygri, John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot ←
13:07:07 <sandro> No, the meeting is supposed to start now.
Sandro Hawke: No, the meeting is supposed to start now. ←
13:07:12 <josema> ChrisB, did you hear a beep?
José Alonso: ChrisB, did you hear a beep? ←
13:07:16 <ChrisB> yup
Chris Beer: yup ←
13:07:21 <josema> hmmm....
José Alonso: hmmm.... ←
13:07:36 <ChrisB> dead air atm - cause I think I'm alone - no - someone else is on - very faint
Chris Beer: dead air atm - cause I think I'm alone - no - someone else is on - very faint ←
13:07:49 <sandro> ChrisB and I are on....
Sandro Hawke: ChrisB and I are on.... ←
13:08:16 <sandro> seems to be working now.
Sandro Hawke: seems to be working now. ←
13:08:37 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
13:08:37 <Zakim> apparently T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: apparently T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended, sandro ←
13:08:38 <cygri> yup i'm in
Richard Cyganiak: yup i'm in ←
13:08:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see fadi, edsu, cygri, John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see fadi, edsu, cygri, John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot ←
13:08:52 <sandro> zakim, this is egov
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this is egov ←
13:08:52 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV()9:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV()9:00AM ←
13:09:01 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
13:09:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, [LC], ChrisB, +0203334aaaa, Sandro, [IPcaller], nunolopes, +03498429aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see George, [LC], ChrisB, +0203334aaaa, Sandro, [IPcaller], nunolopes, +03498429aabb ←
13:09:14 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:09:21 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu
Ed Summers: Zakim, LC is edsu ←
13:09:24 <Zakim> +edsu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +edsu; got it ←
13:09:39 <Zakim> +??P16
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16 ←
13:10:22 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:11:34 <josema> scribe: edsu
(Scribe set to Ed Summers)
13:11:52 <edsu> TOPIC: Agenda adjustments and next meetings
13:12:00 <josema> zakim, next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, next agendum ←
13:12:00 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda adjustments and next meetings" taken up [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 1. "Agenda adjustments and next meetings" taken up [from josema] ←
13:12:08 <edsu> josema: next meeting April 14th, need a scribe
José Alonso: next meeting April 14th, need a scribe ←
13:13:19 <edsu> Zakim, next agendum
Zakim, next agendum ←
13:13:19 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review of open actions" taken up [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 2. "Review of open actions" taken up [from josema] ←
13:13:20 <josema> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/actions/open
José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/actions/open ←
13:13:44 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:13:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, edsu, ChrisB, +0203334aaaa, Sandro, [IPcaller], nunolopes, +03498429aabb, ??P16
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see George, edsu, ChrisB, +0203334aaaa, Sandro, [IPcaller], nunolopes, +03498429aabb, ??P16 ←
13:13:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see fadi, edsu, cygri, John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see fadi, edsu, cygri, John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot ←
13:14:09 <josema> regrets: kevin, rachel, cory
13:15:00 <cygri> zakim, nunolopes is cygri
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, nunolopes is cygri ←
13:15:00 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
13:15:07 <cygri> zakim, who's on the phone?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
13:15:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, edsu, ChrisB, +0203334aaaa, Sandro, [IPcaller], cygri, +03498429aabb, ??P16
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see George, edsu, ChrisB, +0203334aaaa, Sandro, [IPcaller], cygri, +03498429aabb, ??P16 ←
13:16:50 <sandro> I heard some voices in the distance there.
Sandro Hawke: I heard some voices in the distance there. ←
13:17:21 <josema> zakim, aabb is me
José Alonso: zakim, aabb is me ←
13:17:21 <Zakim> +josema; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +josema; got it ←
13:17:35 <josema> zakim, [IPCaller] is probably Owen
José Alonso: zakim, [IPCaller] is probably Owen ←
13:18:00 <josema> zakim, aaaa is probably John
José Alonso: zakim, aaaa is probably John ←
13:18:34 <josema> zakim, ??P16 is Vassilios
José Alonso: zakim, ??P16 is Vassilios ←
13:18:34 <Zakim> +Vassilios; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Vassilios; got it ←
13:18:42 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:18:47 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
13:18:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, edsu, ChrisB, John?, Sandro, Owen?, cygri, josema, Vassilios
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see George, edsu, ChrisB, John?, Sandro, Owen?, cygri, josema, Vassilios ←
13:19:15 <edsu> Zakim, next agendum
Zakim, next agendum ←
13:19:16 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Projects: status report from coordinators" taken up [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 3. "Projects: status report from coordinators" taken up [from josema] ←
13:19:32 <josema> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Projects
José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Projects ←
13:20:03 <edsu> josema: george can you report a summary on your project?
José Alonso: george can you report a summary on your project? ←
13:20:55 <edsu> george: there's been some discussion about conventions of use for some of the standards, such as dcat, void, etc
George Thomas: there's been some discussion about conventions of use for some of the standards, such as dcat, void, etc ←
13:21:16 <edsu> george: and trying to evangelize demonstrations that people already have
George Thomas: and trying to evangelize demonstrations that people already have ←
13:21:29 <edsu> josema: is there any expected deliverable?
José Alonso: is there any expected deliverable? ←
13:21:51 <edsu> george: we haven't converged on that at this point
George Thomas: we haven't converged on that at this point ←
13:22:14 <edsu> josema: so what you have decided to is to act as an aggregator of different initiatives?
José Alonso: so what you have decided to is to act as an aggregator of different initiatives? ←
13:22:24 <edsu> george: that's kind of the default yes
George Thomas: that's kind of the default yes ←
13:22:50 <edsu> ... a reflection of sandro's comment about energy and availability of people involved
... a reflection of sandro's comment about energy and availability of people involved ←
13:23:38 <edsu> josema: is there a sense of doing technical work, as well as a case that could be made for decision makers?
José Alonso: is there a sense of doing technical work, as well as a case that could be made for decision makers? ←
13:24:10 <edsu> george: yes
George Thomas: yes ←
13:24:39 <edsu> josema: there is a need to make a value-proposition to poplicy makers
José Alonso: there is a need to make a value-proposition to poplicy makers ←
13:24:48 <edsu> george: i think there is a good opportunity for that
George Thomas: i think there is a good opportunity for that ←
13:25:12 <edsu> josema: best practices for using web technologies, chris?
José Alonso: best practices for using web technologies, chris? ←
13:25:57 <edsu> ChrisB: we tried focus groups for publishing pdf files, and using mobile technology ; got some response about pdf
Chris Beer: we tried focus groups for publishing pdf files, and using mobile technology ; got some response about pdf ←
13:26:20 <edsu> ... we'll maybe get something written about redaction
... we'll maybe get something written about redaction ←
13:26:38 <edsu> ... also some conversations with adobe
... also some conversations with adobe ←
13:27:00 <edsu> ... trying to identify where the interest is
... trying to identify where the interest is ←
13:27:09 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
13:27:51 <edsu> josema: there is some concern about the participation in the groups, which is when we decided to let other organizers go on their own for a bit
José Alonso: there is some concern about the participation in the groups, which is when we decided to let other organizers go on their own for a bit ←
13:28:18 <OwenAmbur> Lost my Skype connection
Owen Ambur: Lost my Skype connection ←
13:28:28 <edsu> ... hopefully focusing on very specific topics will help
... hopefully focusing on very specific topics will help ←
13:28:56 <edsu> ChrisB: yeah, we were thinking of putting out short how-tos
Chris Beer: yeah, we were thinking of putting out short how-tos ←
13:29:07 <edsu> ... and go from there
... and go from there ←
13:30:00 <edsu> josema: we should clearer ideas about what we should produce, given the charter expiring in october
José Alonso: we should clearer ideas about what we should produce, given the charter expiring in october ←
13:30:16 <edsu> s/we should/we should have/
s/we should/we should have/ ←
13:30:28 <Zakim> -George
Zakim IRC Bot: -George ←
13:30:29 <edsu> ... don't be afraid of publishing something
... don't be afraid of publishing something ←
13:31:06 <edsu> ... a working draft can be almost anything ; we shouldn't be afraid of putting drafts out there ; and also people should feel free to use the wiki
... a working draft can be almost anything ; we shouldn't be afraid of putting drafts out there ; and also people should feel free to use the wiki ←
13:31:49 <edsu> ... people seem afraid sometimes
... people seem afraid sometimes ←
13:32:10 <edsu> josema: daniel isn't on the call today for best practices
José Alonso: daniel isn't on the call today for best practices ←
13:32:57 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:33:01 <edsu> ChrisB: Brian updated the social media project homepage http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/SocMed
Chris Beer: Brian updated the social media project homepage http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/SocMed ←
13:33:28 <edsu> Zakim, next agendum
Zakim, next agendum ←
13:33:28 <Zakim> agendum 4. "What's going on / coming up" taken up [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 4. "What's going on / coming up" taken up [from josema] ←
13:33:49 <edsu> josema: sandro could you tell us about fose? http://www.fose.com/Events/FOSE-2010/Home.aspx
José Alonso: sandro could you tell us about fose? http://www.fose.com/Events/FOSE-2010/Home.aspx ←
13:34:53 <edsu> sandro: i was on a panel replacing john, with rachel and daniel and kevi
Sandro Hawke: i was on a panel replacing john, with rachel and daniel and kevi ←
13:35:08 <edsu> sandro: i'll paste the link for the slides, and the video into irc
Sandro Hawke: i'll paste the link for the slides, and the video into irc ←
13:35:29 <edsu> ... there wasn't a lot of time for questions, and it seemed like some people were excited about it
... there wasn't a lot of time for questions, and it seemed like some people were excited about it ←
13:35:38 <sandro> http://civsourceonline.com/2010/03/24/open-data-movement-asks-if-you-open-it-who-will-come/
Sandro Hawke: http://civsourceonline.com/2010/03/24/open-data-movement-asks-if-you-open-it-who-will-come/ ←
13:35:39 <edsu> ... might get some people in the IG as a result
... might get some people in the IG as a result ←
13:36:13 <edsu> josema: any other news from people on the call?
José Alonso: any other news from people on the call? ←
13:37:07 <edsu> ChrisB: i've got a paper accepted to talk about the Metadata Conference in Canberra
Chris Beer: i've got a paper accepted to talk about the Metadata Conference in Canberra ←
13:37:12 <OwenAmbur> The Industry Advisory Council (IAC) will be conducting a study of best practices with respect to the management of records created in social networking services
Owen Ambur: The Industry Advisory Council (IAC) will be conducting a study of best practices with respect to the management of records created in social networking services ←
13:37:49 <edsu> John: i've got a paper w/ Jeni Tennison to talk about design patterns, provenance, data sets for Linked Data on the Web
John Sheridan: i've got a paper w/ Jeni Tennison to talk about design patterns, provenance, data sets for Linked Data on the Web ←
13:38:08 <OwenAmbur> Pat Franks will be compiling a similar report under the auspices of IBM's Center for the Business of Government
Owen Ambur: Pat Franks will be compiling a similar report under the auspices of IBM's Center for the Business of Government ←
13:38:23 <edsu> josema: kevin wanted me to make folks in the US aware of open government meetings about agency plans
José Alonso: kevin wanted me to make folks in the US aware of open government meetings about agency plans ←
13:39:07 <OwenAmbur> It would be nice if agencies posted their open gov plans in open StratML format
Owen Ambur: It would be nice if agencies posted their open gov plans in open StratML format ←
13:39:30 <OwenAmbur> If they fail to do so, I will probably convert some, if not all of them to StratML format myself
Owen Ambur: If they fail to do so, I will probably convert some, if not all of them to StratML format myself ←
13:39:40 <ChrisB> @Owen - keep me posted on the IAC / Pats stuff - v interested
Chris Beer: @Owen - keep me posted on the IAC / Pats stuff - v interested ←
13:40:04 <josema> conference site -- http://www.tecnimap.es/
José Alonso: conference site -- http://www.tecnimap.es/ ←
13:40:48 <edsu> ... the National Conference on EGovernment is next week, i will try to send information to the list
... the National Conference on EGovernment is next week, i will try to send information to the list ←
13:40:56 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
13:41:18 <edsu> Zakim, next agendum
Zakim, next agendum ←
13:41:18 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Discussion on data catalogues" taken up [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 5. "Discussion on data catalogues" taken up [from josema] ←
13:42:19 <sandro> scovo http://sw.joanneum.at/scovo/schema.html
Sandro Hawke: scovo http://sw.joanneum.at/scovo/schema.html ←
13:42:59 <edsu> cygri: we at DERI are working with people in the UK for expressing statistics in rdf ; the Office of National Statistics in the UK did a workshop for how they should move forward with publishing their data in RDF, and explored using SCOVO and SDMX ; but have started working on an SDMX vocabulary for RDF
Richard Cyganiak: we at DERI are working with people in the UK for expressing statistics in rdf ; the Office of National Statistics in the UK did a workshop for how they should move forward with publishing their data in RDF, and explored using SCOVO and SDMX ; but have started working on an SDMX vocabulary for RDF ←
13:43:32 <edsu> cygri: there will be an early initial paper on this at ldow workshop
Richard Cyganiak: there will be an early initial paper on this at ldow workshop ←
13:43:46 <josema> that will be very useful for us, too
José Alonso: that will be very useful for us, too ←
13:44:24 <edsu> John: this is work that I have commissioned ; once we get a good representation of sdmx for rdf is a key issue for Linked Data in the UK
John Sheridan: this is work that I have commissioned ; once we get a good representation of sdmx for rdf is a key issue for Linked Data in the UK ←
13:45:09 <edsu> cygri: i'm distributing my time between the dcat and sdmxrdf
Richard Cyganiak: i'm distributing my time between the dcat and sdmxrdf ←
13:45:57 <edsu> josema: lets say you create that rdf vocab for sdmx, how will the relationship between the xml vocabulary and the rdf vocabulary work
José Alonso: lets say you create that rdf vocab for sdmx, how will the relationship between the xml vocabulary and the rdf vocabulary work ←
13:46:36 <edsu> cygri: sdmx started as an edi standard ; it includes an abstract model (uml), and there is an xml syntax
Richard Cyganiak: sdmx started as an edi standard ; it includes an abstract model (uml), and there is an xml syntax ←
13:47:44 <edsu> ... since there is an abstract model, we are exploring how possible it would be to translate between the xml and rdf data ; there is a lot of statistical data that's not available as sdmx, so we're thinking about how to easily make that data available as sdmx rdf
... since there is an abstract model, we are exploring how possible it would be to translate between the xml and rdf data ; there is a lot of statistical data that's not available as sdmx, so we're thinking about how to easily make that data available as sdmx rdf ←
13:48:43 <edsu> John: jeni gave us an xslt demonstration of turning an sdmx xml document into rdf ... we figure the transformation of sdmx xml is going to be pretty straightforward
John Sheridan: jeni gave us an xslt demonstration of turning an sdmx xml document into rdf ... we figure the transformation of sdmx xml is going to be pretty straightforward ←
13:49:37 <edsu> ... there's also lgdx that is being used, and they have big systems that inhibit switching to something new ; so we want to be able to translate that as well
... there's also lgdx that is being used, and they have big systems that inhibit switching to something new ; so we want to be able to translate that as well ←
13:49:38 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
José Alonso: zakim, who's noisy? ←
13:49:40 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
13:49:50 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds ←
13:50:10 <edsu> ... once sdmxrdf becomes something we can use we can surface quite a bit of data quite quickly
... once sdmxrdf becomes something we can use we can surface quite a bit of data quite quickly ←
13:50:48 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
13:50:59 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 8 (18%), John? (59%), Vassilios (55%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 8 (18%), John? (59%), Vassilios (55%) ←
13:51:05 <Zakim> -Vassilios
Zakim IRC Bot: -Vassilios ←
13:51:19 <sandro> (nice timing)
Sandro Hawke: (nice timing) ←
13:51:42 <Zakim> +??P5
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13:52:02 <edsu> John: we've started to use time interval uris too, which can be used to identify statistical data
John Sheridan: we've started to use time interval uris too, which can be used to identify statistical data ←
13:52:14 <edsu> josema: sounds like this deserves its own agenda item, some time in the future
José Alonso: sounds like this deserves its own agenda item, some time in the future ←
13:52:27 <cygri> slides: http://richard.cyganiak.de/2010/03/dcat-for-egov-ig.pdf
Richard Cyganiak: slides: http://richard.cyganiak.de/2010/03/dcat-for-egov-ig.pdf ←
13:52:41 <edsu> ... i would love to see an agenda item to talk only about this some time in the future
... i would love to see an agenda item to talk only about this some time in the future ←
13:53:09 <edsu> cygri: that's a link for some slides for the work so far
Richard Cyganiak: that's a link for some slides for the work so far ←
13:53:25 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:53:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see edsu, ChrisB, John?, Sandro, cygri, josema, ??P4, ??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see edsu, ChrisB, John?, Sandro, cygri, josema, ??P4, ??P5 ←
13:53:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see fadi, edsu, cygri, John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see fadi, edsu, cygri, John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot ←
13:54:44 <edsu> josema: ok the floor is yours
José Alonso: ok the floor is yours ←
13:55:07 <edsu> cygri: please follow along in the slides http://richard.cyganiak.de/2010/03/dcat-for-egov-ig.pdf
Richard Cyganiak: please follow along in the slides http://richard.cyganiak.de/2010/03/dcat-for-egov-ig.pdf ←
13:55:32 <edsu> ... most of the work has been by our egov unit and the linked data research center at deri
... most of the work has been by our egov unit and the linked data research center at deri ←
13:55:53 <josema> scribe: Ed Summers
13:55:55 <edsu> ... it's about enabling the interoperability of government data catalogs we've seen popping up
... it's about enabling the interoperability of government data catalogs we've seen popping up ←
13:55:57 <josema> scribeNick: edsu
13:56:26 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
13:57:00 <edsu> going to talk about why it's important ; what's out there now ; what the dcat vocab is ; some experiments we've been doing and where we should go next
going to talk about why it's important ; what's out there now ; what the dcat vocab is ; some experiments we've been doing and where we should go next ←
13:57:39 <edsu> cygri: there are more than 30 government data catalogues online
Richard Cyganiak: there are more than 30 government data catalogues online ←
13:58:46 <josema> compilation of the ones we found so far http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/ and http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/map ...
José Alonso: compilation of the ones we found so far http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/ and http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/map ... ←
13:58:48 <edsu> ... these efforts are done by both public and private parties
... these efforts are done by both public and private parties ←
13:59:04 <josema> ... or in RDF as default SPARQL query at http://data.fundacionctic.org/sparql ;)
José Alonso: ... or in RDF as default SPARQL query at http://data.fundacionctic.org/sparql ;) ←
13:59:33 <edsu> ... we're interested in this because the information is on the web and we'd like to query across the catalogs
... we're interested in this because the information is on the web and we'd like to query across the catalogs ←
14:00:06 <edsu> ... so information about san francisco can be found in local, state and federal catalogs
... so information about san francisco can be found in local, state and federal catalogs ←
14:00:39 <edsu> ... in the EU we can see how me might want an eu level catalog ... data.gov.eu
... in the EU we can see how me might want an eu level catalog ... data.gov.eu ←
14:01:57 <edsu> ... it would be nice to see new user interfaces for the data found in data catalogs ; which combine the metadata with the data itself ; also to do rating and social annotation of the data sets
... it would be nice to see new user interfaces for the data found in data catalogs ; which combine the metadata with the data itself ; also to do rating and social annotation of the data sets ←
14:03:26 <edsu> ... most of the data catalogs do export their data in a structured form
... most of the data catalogs do export their data in a structured form ←
14:04:02 <edsu> ... however each has its own specific format, the documentation for it is lacking
... however each has its own specific format, the documentation for it is lacking ←
14:05:01 <edsu> ... we did an in depth survey of 7 catalogs: some national some local
... we did an in depth survey of 7 catalogs: some national some local ←
14:05:35 <edsu> ... we looked at the metadata, looking at the datasets themselves was out of scope
... we looked at the metadata, looking at the datasets themselves was out of scope ←
14:07:08 <edsu> ... we surveyed the types of metadata available
... we surveyed the types of metadata available ←
14:07:38 <edsu> ... quite a lot of metadata fields are shared, which is good news for interoperability
... quite a lot of metadata fields are shared, which is good news for interoperability ←
14:08:18 <edsu> ... we also looked at metadata fields, how consistently it was used, for example date fields
... we also looked at metadata fields, how consistently it was used, for example date fields ←
14:08:26 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
14:10:03 <edsu> ... we also looked at direct download links
... we also looked at direct download links ←
14:10:28 <edsu> ... sometimes they go directly to the data, but quite often you go to a splash page, with a click through license, and find the download link on the page
... sometimes they go directly to the data, but quite often you go to a splash page, with a click through license, and find the download link on the page ←
14:10:35 <ChrisB> q+
Chris Beer: q+ ←
14:10:44 <edsu> ... this is bad news for automatic processing of the data
... this is bad news for automatic processing of the data ←
14:11:12 <ChrisB> End
Chris Beer: End ←
14:11:16 <josema> thx
José Alonso: thx ←
14:12:13 <edsu> cygri: the dcat vocab is at http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat ; and an overview is available at http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat-overview
Richard Cyganiak: the dcat vocab is at http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat ; and an overview is available at http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat-overview ←
14:12:14 <josema> all, queue yourself if you have questions and we'll go through them at the end, thx
José Alonso: all, queue yourself if you have questions and we'll go through them at the end, thx ←
14:13:27 <edsu> cygri: we tried to keep in mind Hepp's Law: to be careful when designing a vocabulary not to make distinctions that aren't present in the data to be integrated
Richard Cyganiak: we tried to keep in mind Hepp's Law: to be careful when designing a vocabulary not to make distinctions that aren't present in the data to be integrated ←
14:13:52 <josema> [that was very good advice]
José Alonso: [that was very good advice] ←
14:14:11 <edsu> cygri: we don't want to require data cleansing before dcat can be used
Richard Cyganiak: we don't want to require data cleansing before dcat can be used ←
14:14:51 <edsu> cygri: rdf allows extensibility (classes and properties) to express additional information, so we focused on stuff that's in all the catalogs
Richard Cyganiak: rdf allows extensibility (classes and properties) to express additional information, so we focused on stuff that's in all the catalogs ←
14:15:29 <edsu> ... we tried to reuse from dublincore, skos and foaf, and minimized what we created ourselves
... we tried to reuse from dublincore, skos and foaf, and minimized what we created ourselves ←
14:16:40 <edsu> ... we introduced dcat:Catalog, dcat:Dataset, dcat:CatalogRecord, dcat:Distribution
... we introduced dcat:Catalog, dcat:Dataset, dcat:CatalogRecord, dcat:Distribution ←
14:17:02 <edsu> ... Distribution is used indicate that format that the dataset is available in
... Distribution is used indicate that format that the dataset is available in ←
14:17:19 <edsu> ... for example xml and json would be 2 Distributions
... for example xml and json would be 2 Distributions ←
14:17:44 <edsu> ... categorization of datasets is common, and we used skos for this
... categorization of datasets is common, and we used skos for this ←
14:18:14 <edsu> ... and the government agency that published the data was modeled with foaf:Organization
... and the government agency that published the data was modeled with foaf:Organization ←
14:19:43 <edsu> ... we loaded some of the datasets into a standard relational database ; and then mapped to rdf with d2r http://lab.linkeddata.deri.ie/govcat/
... we loaded some of the datasets into a standard relational database ; and then mapped to rdf with d2r http://lab.linkeddata.deri.ie/govcat/ ←
14:19:56 <edsu> ... which has a sparql interface
... which has a sparql interface ←
14:20:11 <edsu> ... and we linked some things up to geonames and dbpedia
... and we linked some things up to geonames and dbpedia ←
14:20:30 <edsu> ... for example we linked the agencies to dbpedia
... for example we linked the agencies to dbpedia ←
14:21:54 <edsu> ... we did some example sparql queries for listing datasets that were published by agencies with budgets > a certain amount
... we did some example sparql queries for listing datasets that were published by agencies with budgets > a certain amount ←
14:23:42 <edsu> ... one of the benefits of using dcat is that it could enable distributed publishing, and federation later
... one of the benefits of using dcat is that it could enable distributed publishing, and federation later ←
14:23:42 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
14:24:10 <John> q+
John Sheridan: q+ ←
14:24:22 <edsu> ... could also potentially allow datasets to be downloaded in an automated fashion
... could also potentially allow datasets to be downloaded in an automated fashion ←
14:24:58 <edsu> ... also applications that worked on one data catalog could be repurposed
... also applications that worked on one data catalog could be repurposed ←
14:25:26 <edsu> ... we're looking for feedback on the vocabulary, and to get more eyes on the vocab
... we're looking for feedback on the vocabulary, and to get more eyes on the vocab ←
14:25:43 <josema> q+
José Alonso: q+ ←
14:25:55 <edsu> ... we're writing up a guide to using dcat
... we're writing up a guide to using dcat ←
14:26:31 <edsu> ... at deri we'd like to use dcat w/ voiD for describing rdf datasets
... at deri we'd like to use dcat w/ voiD for describing rdf datasets ←
14:27:07 <edsu> ... also w/ sdmx+rdf ; metadata about the dataset is important
... also w/ sdmx+rdf ; metadata about the dataset is important ←
14:27:49 <edsu> ... what really has to happen is that it needs to happen not only at DERI but elsewhere on the web, by the catalog publishers
... what really has to happen is that it needs to happen not only at DERI but elsewhere on the web, by the catalog publishers ←
14:28:23 <John> This is very important work
John Sheridan: This is very important work ←
14:28:31 <josema> q-
José Alonso: q- ←
14:29:00 <edsu> ... one question is, as more people are involved how do we organize our work in a distributed way?
... one question is, as more people are involved how do we organize our work in a distributed way? ←
14:29:24 <edsu> ... to what extent would the egov interest group be a good place to do this?
... to what extent would the egov interest group be a good place to do this? ←
14:29:40 <John> We need something like this for data.gov.uk RDF work
John Sheridan: We need something like this for data.gov.uk RDF work ←
14:29:49 <edsu> josema: thanks very much, we only have a few minutes for asking questions
José Alonso: thanks very much, we only have a few minutes for asking questions ←
14:29:50 <josema> ack ChrisB
José Alonso: ack ChrisB ←
14:30:32 <edsu> ChrisB: have you done anything with the datacite consortium, and when you were looking at australia did you look at the australian data service?
Chris Beer: have you done anything with the datacite consortium, and when you were looking at australia did you look at the australian data service? ←
14:31:14 <josema> ack John
José Alonso: ack John ←
14:31:21 <edsu> cygri: no we just looked at data.gov au, would be interested in that
Richard Cyganiak: no we just looked at data.gov au, would be interested in that ←
14:31:30 <sandro> PROPOSED: to extend the meeting, informally, for 15 minutes
PROPOSED: to extend the meeting, informally, for 15 minutes ←
14:31:30 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
14:32:01 <edsu> John: i have someone looking at your work right now, would it be possible to version the document, right now it's still in draft
John Sheridan: i have someone looking at your work right now, would it be possible to version the document, right now it's still in draft ←
14:32:25 <josema> let's say 10, sandro ;)
José Alonso: let's say 10, sandro ;) ←
14:32:42 <edsu> cygri: we have to provide some documentation about the use of other vocabularies, we have good coverage for the new vocabulary we have introduced
Richard Cyganiak: we have to provide some documentation about the use of other vocabularies, we have good coverage for the new vocabulary we have introduced ←
14:32:49 <Zakim> -ChrisB
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14:32:59 <edsu> John: do you need any help?
John Sheridan: do you need any help? ←
14:33:01 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
14:33:14 <edsu> cygri: yes, always :-) perhaps we can discuss offline a bit
Richard Cyganiak: yes, always :-) perhaps we can discuss offline a bit ←
14:33:39 <edsu> ... it has to be driven by working on actual data
... it has to be driven by working on actual data ←
14:33:44 <josema> edsu: +
Ed Summers: + [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
14:33:48 <josema> q+
José Alonso: q+ ←
14:33:49 <John> +1
John Sheridan: +1 ←
14:34:23 <edsu> cygri: for v0.1 this is something we have to do here, it's hard to distribute
Richard Cyganiak: for v0.1 this is something we have to do here, it's hard to distribute ←
14:34:56 <josema> ack san
José Alonso: ack san ←
14:35:09 <edsu> josema: we're going to extend the meeting by 10-15 minutes
José Alonso: we're going to extend the meeting by 10-15 minutes ←
14:35:32 <John> +1
John Sheridan: +1 ←
14:35:49 <edsu> sandro: this is very important work, i'm hoping that you can get users in the IG to help, but also institutional support from the w3c
Sandro Hawke: this is very important work, i'm hoping that you can get users in the IG to help, but also institutional support from the w3c ←
14:35:58 <John> We should try and support somehow...
John Sheridan: We should try and support somehow... ←
14:36:00 <josema> [I want to *thank* edsu for fantastic scribing today, wonderful, many many thanks]
José Alonso: [I want to *thank* edsu for fantastic scribing today, wonderful, many many thanks] ←
14:36:11 <John> +1
John Sheridan: +1 ←
14:36:17 <edsu> cygri: i'm not sure if we should use the egov mailing list, or create another one (infrastructure) ; we need an issue tracker for this
Richard Cyganiak: i'm not sure if we should use the egov mailing list, or create another one (infrastructure) ; we need an issue tracker for this ←
14:36:39 <John> This is on the nail, practical, just what we need in UK
John Sheridan: This is on the nail, practical, just what we need in UK ←
14:36:50 <josema> it's something we also need for our work at CTIC, happy to help from here, preferred if within W3C
José Alonso: it's something we also need for our work at CTIC, happy to help from here, preferred if within W3C ←
14:36:59 <edsu> ... an IG can publish notes at the w3c, for something like dcat to have moer acceptance an IG Note would have a lot more acceptance
... an IG can publish notes at the w3c, for something like dcat to have moer acceptance an IG Note would have a lot more acceptance ←
14:37:04 <edsu> s/moer/more/
s/moer/more/ ←
14:37:04 <John> And we can try and implement over next few weeks
John Sheridan: And we can try and implement over next few weeks ←
14:37:24 <edsu> sandro: another thing is the namespace for the vocab, perhaps a w3c namespace would lend it more credibility
Sandro Hawke: another thing is the namespace for the vocab, perhaps a w3c namespace would lend it more credibility ←
14:37:29 <edsu> John: it would for us
John Sheridan: it would for us ←
14:38:02 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
14:38:18 <edsu> sandro: other applications i thought of: not every local gov't would have to make their own catalog, without requiring their own IT dept
Sandro Hawke: other applications i thought of: not every local gov't would have to make their own catalog, without requiring their own IT dept ←
14:38:22 <John> Yup!
John Sheridan: Yup! ←
14:38:29 <josema> +1
José Alonso: +1 ←
14:38:46 <edsu> sandro: also, i was thinking it could be possible to publish mappings w/ dcat
Sandro Hawke: also, i was thinking it could be possible to publish mappings w/ dcat ←
14:38:49 <John> This is much much needed just now
John Sheridan: This is much much needed just now ←
14:38:57 <josema> ack me
José Alonso: ack me ←
14:39:23 <edsu> josema: we really, really need this at my place of work
José Alonso: we really, really need this at my place of work ←
14:39:36 <edsu> ... sandro, how should we proceed?
... sandro, how should we proceed? ←
14:39:57 <John> I'd love to see a group note on gov data catalogues
John Sheridan: I'd love to see a group note on gov data catalogues ←
14:40:10 <edsu> sandro: i'm happy to listen to what richard wants to do
Sandro Hawke: i'm happy to listen to what richard wants to do ←
14:40:28 <edsu> cygri: i haven't followed to closely how the IG is being run with sub-projects
Richard Cyganiak: i haven't followed to closely how the IG is being run with sub-projects ←
14:40:39 <josema> s/to/too
José Alonso: s/to/too ←
14:41:07 <edsu> ... with voiD we had good experience getting together a focused group, with a weekly call, with discussion list, issue tracker, and subversion repositoy
... with voiD we had good experience getting together a focused group, with a weekly call, with discussion list, issue tracker, and subversion repositoy ←
14:41:13 <edsu> s/repositoy/repository/
s/repositoy/repository/ ←
14:41:46 <edsu> ... i would try to replicate what we did w/ voiD
... i would try to replicate what we did w/ voiD ←
14:42:05 <edsu> sandro: people seemed to want to use the egov ig discussion list for sub-projects
Sandro Hawke: people seemed to want to use the egov ig discussion list for sub-projects ←
14:42:29 <edsu> ... maybe we could try to start on there with a [dcat] tag until someone complains
... maybe we could try to start on there with a [dcat] tag until someone complains ←
14:42:33 <edsu> cygri: i think that could work
Richard Cyganiak: i think that could work ←
14:42:59 <edsu> sandro: we could schedule a telecon, would richard be ok for chairing them?
Sandro Hawke: we could schedule a telecon, would richard be ok for chairing them? ←
14:43:05 <edsu> cygri: yes, great
Richard Cyganiak: yes, great ←
14:43:12 <josema> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Projects
José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Projects ←
14:43:29 <edsu> josema: that's the link fot the current projects
José Alonso: that's the link fot the current projects ←
14:43:49 <edsu> sandro: a lot of those aren't meeting so i wouldn't worry about it too much
Sandro Hawke: a lot of those aren't meeting so i wouldn't worry about it too much ←
14:44:01 <John> fabulous Richard!
John Sheridan: fabulous Richard! ←
14:44:12 <edsu> +1
+1 ←
14:44:46 <Zakim> -??P4
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14:44:48 <edsu> josema: next meeting aprl 14th
José Alonso: next meeting aprl 14th ←
14:44:49 <Zakim> -cygri
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14:44:50 <Zakim> -??P5
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14:44:52 <Zakim> -Sandro
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14:44:55 <edsu> josema: we are adjourned
José Alonso: we are adjourned ←
14:44:56 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
José Alonso: [ADJOURNED] ←
14:45:02 <Zakim> -josema
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14:45:06 <josema> yup :)
José Alonso: yup :) ←
14:45:07 <Zakim> -edsu
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14:45:08 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
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14:45:09 <Zakim> Attendees were George, ChrisB, +0203334aaaa, Sandro, +03498429aabb, edsu, cygri, josema, Owen?, John?, Vassilios
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14:45:17 <josema> zakim, list attendees
José Alonso: zakim, list attendees ←
14:45:17 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I don't know what conference this is ←
14:45:27 <josema> rrsagent, make minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:45:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/31-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/31-egov-minutes.html josema ←
14:45:31 <edsu> Zakim: you're not the only one :-)
Zakim IRC Bot: you're not the only one :-) ←
14:45:42 <josema> ed, will you generate the wiki page?
José Alonso: ed, will you generate the wiki page? ←
14:45:52 <edsu> sandro: you helped me w/ that the last time
Sandro Hawke: you helped me w/ that the last time ←
14:46:03 <edsu> sandro: is it easy for you to do, or to tell me how to do?
Sandro Hawke: is it easy for you to do, or to tell me how to do? ←
14:46:32 <edsu> josema++ # thanks for getting richard to talk today, that was really good stuff
josema++ # thanks for getting richard to talk today, that was really good stuff ←
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