See also: IRC log, previous 2007-12-13
Ben: I don't think we have a new draft to give to the WGs yet :(
Next telecon in 2 weeks; 3 Jan
Ben: can we read the latest editor's draft to understand Mark's current thinking?
Shane: we haven't updated the public editor's draft yet, but can do so right now
<ShaneM> There is an updated rdfa-syntax draft at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-rdfa-syntax-20071220/
Ben: can we review test cases usefully today?
Manu: with Mark's new interpretation, we'll have to review every case
Ben: I don't think Mark is intending to change
the interpretation of current cases
... it's just floating @resource that would change
... I think Mark isn't proposing to change the cases with @about
ACTION: [DONE] Ben to write up example and explanation of @src as subject for IMG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
-> Rethinking @src in the context of chaining rules [Ben, 19-Dec]
ACTION: [DONE] Manu create an additional test case where @instanceof on head is used to set the global document type. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
-> Test Case #66: @instanceof in HEAD [Manu, 16-Dec]
ACTION: [DONE] Manu to add test cases to ensure URLs are resolved relative to base correctly against @about, @resource, and @href. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
-> Test
Case #68: @about with relative URL [Manu, 16-Dec]
-> Test
Case #69: @href with relative URL [Manu, 16-Dec]
-> Test
Case #70: @resource with relative URL [Manu, 16-Dec]
ACTION: Ralph to check with Libby and make sure it is okay for us to use her address. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] [WITHDRAWN]
Manu: I changed it to my and Michael's
addresses instead
... should we do this throughout?
... we'd have to update the Syntax doc
ACTION: Manu to change Libby's email address to Michael's in all test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]
ACTION: Ben to update primer to remove Libby's email address [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
ACTION: Shane to update syntax doc to remove Libby's email address (and replace it with Michael's) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
ACTION: Shane to add anchors to rdfa-syntax spec for element and attribute definitions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] [DONE]
ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
Ben: I've received a response from Fabien. It's currently under a French open source license and he plans to put it under W3C license when it's done.
ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
[SWDWG] ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom [regarding maintenance of wiki document http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[SWDWG] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
Ben: I was planning to wait until Last Call to do implementation report
Ralph: We have several implementations already, starting this now would be another way to advertise them.
[SWDWG] ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
Ben: I keep updating it but it keeps getting out of date
... note that several of us will be at WWW2008 the end of April
... that's a good opportunity for publicity
Shane: I had raised a question about adding a value for GRDDL to @rel and @rev namespaces
Ben: GRDDL considered that to be in their
namespace, not the HTML namespace
... so I think that's "above" us in the stack
Shane: ok with me
<msporny> Test cases to review for tomorrow
<msporny> RDFa Test Harness
scribe: @instanceof not applying to @resource
Manu: the N3 comes from Ivan's parser which is
not up-to-date, so ignore it for now
... focus on the XHTML and SPARQL
Ben, Manu, Ralph: test 47 looks ok to us
RESOLUTION: test 47 accepted, with a flag to recheck after Mark's latest rules
<ShaneM> +1
<Ralph> +1
RESOLUTION: test 48 accepted
Ben: we don't expect 48 to change with Mark's rules
Manu: test 62 is @rev in HEAD
<Ralph>+1
RESOLUTION: test 62 accepted
Ben: 52 is definitely affected by Mark's latest rules
<Ralph>+1 per my expectation
RESOLUTION: test 52 accepted, to be revisited after Mark's proposed changes
Ben: this isn't the kind of markup someone
would like write
... but if there were an @rel it would generate the given triples (plus
another)
... so it's right
Ralph: I'm ok with 53
RESOLUTION: test 53 accepted, to be revisited after Mark's proposed changes
RESOLUTION: test 66 accepted
test 66 not affected by Mark's changes
<ShaneM> +1
defaulting subject in HEAD
RESOLUTION: test 67 accepted, not affected by Mark's rules
Shane: how would I run these tests locally?
Ben: could add BASE in HEAD
<benadida> ACTION: Manu to check for BASE test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]
<benadida> ACTION: Ben to propose a solution for running tests locally [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]
Ralph: test 4 is on hold, using xml:base
RESOLUTION: test 68 accepted, not affected by Mark's rules
like test 68 with @rel and @href
Shane: calling these test files ".xhtml" will
cause IE to not deal with them the way we want
... I will talk about this off-line with Michael and Manu
Ben: what does @about="" do in this case?
... is it necessary?
Manu: I'm not sure we have a test that defaults @about in the body -- I'll add one
RESOLUTION: test 69 accepted, not affected by Mark's rules
Manu: like 69 but with @resource
RESOLUTION: test 70 accepted, not affected by Mark's rules
-> Rethinking @src in the context of chaining rules [Ben, 19-Dec ]
Manu: my only concern is that it would be
simpler for developers to ignore @src
... but that violates DRY
Ben: I'm proposing that @src behaves just like @about, if both are present then @about supercedes
Manu: are there other HTML elements to which this would apply?
Ben: OBJECT
... but we care mostly about IMG
Manu: we're making a special case for IMG and
OBJECT
... that's OK because folks do use IMG heavily
... but I wonder if there are other elements we should look at in the same
way?
Shane: in XHTML2, @src works everywhere
... @longdesc might be another special case to consider
Ben: Mark had proposed that @longdesc become a
[dc:]description
... which would argue in favor of @src being subject
... also, it's probably a good thing to have a story for inline OBJECTs
[adjourned]