<AllanJ> title: UAWG teleconference

<scribe> Scribe: JR

Changing Meeting time (move meeting time ahead 1 hour)

All: No prob

Ideas for topics for Tech Plenary day

JA: Describing Plenary...
... Wednesday will be plenary talks
... Shadi had idea of test suites

Wiki - review edits

JA: Let's start with 3 (http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/wiki/ConfigToNotRender)

PP: Mostly commented on issues...
... Mostly questions
... Hard to answer questions for 3.1
... Are we talking about all background images.. or just things in the background

JA: Went back to archives...people from Opera raised same issue
... Couldn't find response
... Second point on background images and AJAX widgets...points to this guideline needing an overhaul
... Had always assumed this was meant to cover whole page...
... Maybe need to put up implementation details...
... Seems like in past we tried to document current practice plus extend them.
... e.g. Turn off images in IE just turns off IMG
... We should be informed by the implmentation in browsers
... Why beat dead horse?
... History has passed some of these things by
... We may break AJAX...
... if not careful.

PP: 3.2 Toggle audio, video, animated images (P1)
... Issue browser doesn't necessarily know what it is displaying....underlying comment - maybe written as "if the browser does know"
... e..g animated gifs...but not some other techs
... In this case, turn on or off is fairly straightforward.

<AllanJ> JR: this is all filters what to turn on and off

PP: Also good to think about extensions...
... There are add blockers...
... Ad blockers...
... Sees things and pulls it out of the DOM...

<AllanJ> PP: does the extension become part of the Chrome and conformance

<AllanJ> JR: if to many filters, then configuration becomes troublesome

JR: How much configurability...

PP: Fairly low - just grabs rules from Web
... Plus can block individual things

JA: Can determine how far back to go ...doublick.com...doubleclick/autos...etc

<scribe> ACTION: JR to Expand on idea of blocking functional areas: animation, low contrast, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-minutes.html#action01]

PP, JA: Should call out that also applies to chrome

PP: 3.3 Toggle animated or blinking text (P1)
... Essentially the same as 3.2

JA: But different set of tags

PP: Should combine
... Fall into category of animations the author knows a bout

<scribe> ACTION: PP to Proposal to combine 3.2 and 3.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-minutes.html#action02]

<scribe> ACTION: JR to Proposal to limit "background image" to body of document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-minutes.html#action03]

PP: 3.4 Toggle scripts (P1)
... wants to point out that browser to decide to pen a 3rd party apps or not

<AllanJ> JR: question about javascript

JR: Like PP's "Toggle executable content,"

All: Discuss ways of toggling flash

PP: There is a way to toggle SVG off in Firefox...
... Though not in a proper option
... And extensions can pull these things back up into chrome

JA: Everything going executable...
... If turning things off then you can have nothing.

PP: Maybe site by site...prob too much config for base UA

<scribe> ACTION: JA to Get thoughts together about 3.4 "All executable content", managing configuration [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-minutes.html#action04]

JA: Brought up before that pop-up window sometimes has no UA control but if fonts to big can't see it all

<scribe> ACTION: JR to Proposal to have config uration not to have stripped down user agent windoews [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-minutes.html#action05]

JA: Riminds me that all of 3.1, 3.2 etc are fallbacks for WCAG problems.

PP: 3.5 Toggle automatic content retrieval (P1)
... Originally intended to apply to full page
... Idea had here is that ARAI live regions can be leveraged...live regions can be not refreshed etc
... Different politeness settings can be used

<scribe> ACTION: PP to Proposal on ways User Agents could use live regions. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-minutes.html#action06]

<AllanJ> JR: perhaps a setting...i need a least a minute to review changes....user has ability to set a time for refresh

JA: Work being done on what should be paid attention to

PP: All recs I've seen say don't move focus

JA: If focus is in live region and it changes, UA should block change to the region

PP: Ties into the guideline on automatic focus change

JA: Just finding no event on change
... Oh found it...

<scribe> ACTION: JA to Proposal that if a live region has focus, it shouldn't update.] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-ua-minutes.html#action07]

PP: Hmmm...could be just a timer etc.
... Different than blocking all of the HTTP requests...this blocks once request returns
... 3.6 Toggle images (P2)

JR: What's accessiblity rationale?

JA: Lists cognitive disabilities (overly rich visuals)
... We're way over

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2007JulSep/0002.html
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