W3C

WS Policy Working Group
11 Jul 2007

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Attendees

Present
Fabian, Sergey_Beryozkin, Yakov_Sverdlov, Frederick_Hirsch_(muted), Mark_Little, Chris_Ferris, asir, whenry, Prasad_Yendluri, Toufic_Boubez, Maryann, Tom_Rutt, Paul_Cotton, Ashok, Dan, Charlton, Abbie, Philippe, GlenD
Regrets
Monica, Maryann_(partial), Charlton
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
mlittle

Contents


 

 

agenda - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jul/0004.html

<whenry> Sshhhh don't tell her Chris

<whenry> ;-)

lol

<cferris> scribe: mlittle

<cferris> scribeNick: mlittle

cferris: scribes for f2f. Need scribes for Tuesday and Wednesday.
... fabian will do Tuesday morning. sergey for Tuesday afternoon. daveo for Wednesday morning. dale for Wednesday afternoon.

<cferris> scribes for f2f: Fabian (Tues am), Sergey (Tues pm), DaveO (Weds am), Dale (Weds pm)

cferris: no objections to minutes as posted.

<cferris> RESOLUTION: 6/27 minutes approved as posted

<cferris> ACTION: Chris and Paul to add agendum for meeting schedule including possible f2f meetings through November [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-ws-policy-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-329 - And Paul to add agendum for meeting schedule including possible f2f meetings through November [on Christopher Ferris - due 2007-07-18].

<whenry> DART = Dublin Area Rapid Transport

sergey: everything set up for f2f. If any questions about getting to/into Iona offices, then contact sergey. Has details on transportation alternatives if not going by taxi.

<whenry> There is a stop VERY near to IONA office. Lansdown Rd. DART station

<whenry> TAXIs are fairly handy except late at night.

<toufic> clap clap clap

<asir> clap clap clap ...

<Fabian> I plan on taking the aircoach, that is a private bus service that goes to a couple of major hotels from the airport

cferris: S-Policy 1.5 is a PR

http://www.w3.org/News/2007#item145

http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/PR-ws-policy-20070706

cferris: WS-Policy 1.5 is a PR

paul: shortest PR transition call ever! Plus shortest time for group over all!!!!

<toufic> drinks on chris!

cferris: editors report?

nothing new to report.

toufic: one action item pending in my name. Text is already to go as soon as we approve AI.

paulc: if we go to public page, editors draft for primer and guideline docs are the ones people should use to give comments?

toufic: yes

cferris: review of action items.

<cferris> ACTION: Chris and Paul to add ACTION-300 to f2f agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-ws-policy-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-330 - And Paul to add ACTION-300 to f2f agenda [on Christopher Ferris - due 2007-07-18].

cferris: action-304 in hand.

<cferris> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jul/0010.html

cferris: ACTION-306 also done.

<cferris> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jul/0009.html

cferris: ACTION-322 Maryann to initiate email thread elaborating on best practice

related to issue http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4654

cferris: leave as pending.

paulc: ACTION-323 and ACTION-325 due to maryann. Need to be priority for the f2f.

cferris: ACTION-326 for toufic. Is this done?

maybe the issue number is wrong, because 4672 is closed?

cferris: no sign of toufic on call.

<Fabian> second last in the first line from Zakim...

paulc: has 4566 been done?

general confusion about which issue toufic should have been addressing.

cferris: maybe this is a closed issue after all.

paulc: which issue should be applied to this action item?

<asir> 4566 and it is completed

<asir> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0091.html

cferris: discussion was around 4566 which related to samples having syntactic errors in them. Prasad is correct that we fixed it all. Then there's this action on toufic, which doesn't seem to have the right context.

paulc: I believe the action was completed. Let's assume that the action was done.
... I'll update the action to have the right issue number and mark as closed.

+1

cferris: ACTION-327 done
... ACTION-328 done by monica.

<cferris> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4831

paulc: so that leaves 300 and 330 open along with maryanns issues. 329 to track f2f agenda.

philippe: nothing to report on PR transition.

Issue 4762

<cferris> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0096.html

<plh> http://www.ietf.org/IESG/agenda.html

philippe: this is on agenda of meeting on 19th of July. Let's leave this until later in August because we may have to update it then anyway.

asir: end of PR period might impact calendar.

paulc: agree. let's discuss at f2f.
... philippe and felix will track for us?

philippe: yes, but no guarantees on time. If not 19th July then we should resolve with currently recommended text.

<asir> so the tickler is July 19th

ACTION-328

<cferris> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0096.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0102.html

<cferris> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4831

paulc: we want to refer to OASIS WS-Sec and WSDL recommendation?

cferris: yes
... close and leave to editors?

+1

<cferris> RESOLUTION: 4831 closed as proposed by Monica in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0102.html

4836 open, plus one issue open against test suite: 4582 from IBM. We need to close these as part of the specification.

<cferris> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4836

<cferris> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jul/0002.html

philippe: both specifications ref rfc 2246 which is about tls 1.0. rfc 4346 updates the first rfc and defines tls 1.1. Should we upgrade to the latest version of tls? However, the upgrade path is not clear. Not sure if there are implementations of 1.1 in Java or .NET? Plus, paul pointed out that WS-Sec talks about tls 1.0, so we probably want to keep things as they are.
... I would close this without action.

+1

<asir> +1 to close without any action

ashok: can we reword to say tls 1.0 and its successor rfcs?

philippe: sure, but it's only mentioned as an example. easiest resolution (on editors) would be no action.

paulc: only go with 1.0.

ashok: ws-policy will live for a long time. so why not 1.1 as well?

philippe: but we don't mandate 1.0 or 1.1.

paulc: do not want 1.1 referred in the spec.

cferris: no objections to closing as no action.

<cferris> RESOLUTION: 4836 closed with no action

Issue 4582

<cferris> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4582

cferris: IBM has proposed additions to test cases specifically to address testing intersections in nested policies.

<asir> Doug's updated version of the tests cases are http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-interop/2007Jun/0011.html

cferris: believes asir had some minor issues. Vendors have come forward and reported successful testing of those test cases. So we have more than one vendor passing these unit tests. I recommend close as adopting these as part of the test suite and editors to make changes to incorporate them into test suite. Any discussion?

paulc: sent a note to felix to update homepage with PR items. Wonder whether these tests should be explicitly pointed out on the home page since they're not on the score-card?
... we want people to know about these tests.

cferris: add them to scorecard?

paulc: a lot of work.
... maybe the scorecard page could point to the additional test page separately?

cferris: either that or update the scorecard.

paulc: let's assign to felix/editors to get these tests into the interop scenarios and make sure the results are reported appropriately.

<cferris> ACTION: Felix and editors to work to incorporate the test cases in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-interop/2007Jun/0011.html as optional round 5 tests and to record somewhere (homepage or scorecard) the successful results [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-ws-policy-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-331 - And editors to work to incorporate the test cases in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-interop/2007Jun/0011.html as optional round 5 tests and to record somewhere (homepage or scorecard) the successful results [on Felix Sasaki - due 2007-07-18].

<cferris> RESOLUTION: 4582 closed by adding tests in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-interop/2007Jun/0011.html as optional round 5 tests

Primer Document

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0079.html

cferris: single issue 4376
... objections to deferring to PR? None. OK.

paulc: what's the date for this?

cferris: sometime in August.

paulc: ok, so will update list.

cferris: no need paul to have primer topic on agenda?

paulc: well we might have comments, so let's leave it in.

Guidelines issues

cferris: neither monica nor maryann, who are relevant to most of the issues.

fabian: monica will be at f2f.

cferris: let's quickly go through and see if there's anything we can do without monica or maryann. Need to be careful around issues that they were involved with.
... toufic, what about Bug 4566

<toufic> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0091.html

toufic: spoke to interested people and we came up with resolution that satisfies everyone. split best practice into 2.
... one of the best practices was around assertion authors should only write policy assertions if they relate to behaviour that is on the wire for compatibility issues. However, the intent was really that if there are behaviours that manifest on the wires then that's a good use case for writing the policy assertions. It came down to SHOULD. This resulted in two best practices to clarify issues. Listed in link.

cferris: any objections on the proposed resolution?
... hearing none, resolution agreed. 4566 resolved with http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0091.html

<cferris> RESOLUTION: 4566 closed with proposal in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0091.html

cferris: everything else depends on monica and/or maryann. So end of meeting?

<abbie> +abbie

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Chris and Paul to add ACTION-300 to f2f agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-ws-policy-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris and Paul to add agendum for meeting schedule including possible f2f meetings through November [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-ws-policy-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix and editors to work to incorporate the test cases in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-interop/2007Jun/0011.html as optional round 5 tests and to record somewhere (homepage or scorecard) the successful results [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-ws-policy-minutes.html#action03]
 
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