W3C

SWD WG

10 Jul 2007

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
TomB, Bernard, Antoine, Edsu, Seanb, Justin, Vit
Regrets
Guus, Daniel, Diego, Ralph, Jon, Simone, Sean, Elisa, Clay
Chair
Tom
Scribe
Bernard

Contents


 

 

<TomB> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html

<TomB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jul/0043.html

Admin

TomB proposes accept minutes of 3rd July 2007

No objections,

<seanb> Alistair's regrets: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jul/0056.html

Resolved

Next telecon 17th July

<scribe> ACTION: Guus to propose dates in Oct for Amsterdam meeting on SKOS [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-swd-minutes.html#action01]

SKOS

<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to raise issue of adding broader/narrower relations in skos [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action03]

<Antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jul/0012.html

<scribe> --DONE

Antoine: proposal is related to former SKOS extension document
... with broaderGeneric, broaderPartitive etc.
... eg. one is meant to represent part-whole relationships
... some users have spotted these ideas and would like to use them
... so should we represent these ideas as part of SKOS?

TomB: what is your opinion?

Antoine: some correspond to commonly-accepted relationships in thesaurus domain
... but may be some problems because some relationships are handled by multiple SKOS properties, such as broaderPartitive and relatedPart
... but generally I thin it would be a good idea to recognise that these properties were proposed
... and some users want to use these properties as part of their models

TomB: anyone know how extensively these properties are already being used?
... it has a W3C URI and people are using it yet it's status seems ambiguous
... anyone checked to see amount of usage?

Antoine: usage now is not important, but as long as they remain public and they correspond to common thesaurus usage then some users
... may start using them.

Seanb: what is cost to us to include them?

Antoine: not expensive, but I'm not sure they cover all the established needs. Some papers describe these kinds of links, but there are more
... but if we want to be extensive, or do we want to limit to the current extensions?

TomB: has anyone raised any objections, other than partitive issue?
... what status they attained in original project and why they weren't moved into rest of spec?

Antoine: I think it was for the readability of the standard, and to be clear about what properties can be extended by users.
... For example, a kind of link that can be thought of is e.g. a painter, and a painting process. This relationship is not currently expressed in the
... SKOS model, so some users may be confused about how to create their extensions? Should they be a sub property of broader or some more core property?

TomB: suggest we move on today, but discuss when Alistair is here to discover historical context

<scribe> ACTION: Guus to move Action 26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05] [CONTINUES]

-- ISSUE-33: Grouping Construct (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/33)

Tomb: Alistair has proposed a way forward

-- ISSUE-33: Grouping Construct (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/33)

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0166.html

TomB: Does anyone disagree with this approach?

No response

Antoine: Sean raised some concerns about syntactic constraints

Seanb: haven't had time to consider this yet

Antoine: didn't know if there was redundancy between syntactic and possible future semantic constraints
... wondering if more experienced people could say something about this

TomB: related to issue 31

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0166.html

TomB: Alistair has added comments about relationship to OWL, specifically OWL-DL
... without Alistair's presence we can't make any progress on this today

RDFa

TomB: last week Ralph suggested a discussion about the difference between class and role
... is there anyone on the telecon to discuss this?

<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to Discuss possibility of meeting for RDFa in Cambridge [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]

Recipes

<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to Discuss possibility of meeting for RDFa in Cambridge [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]

Vocabulary Management

TomB: Lisa is not on call
... so let's continue to next meeting
... not enough people on the call

[adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Antoine to raise issue of adding broader/narrower relations in skos [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action03]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to move Action 26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Guus to propose dates in Oct for Amsterdam meeting on SKOS [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action01] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/10-swd-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to Discuss possibility of meeting for RDFa in Cambridge [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action02]
 
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