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<Susie> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/group/wiki/Semantic_Web_Flyer
dunja: I sent around a mockup of
the flyer
... have you looked at it?
susie: doing it now...:-)
... could you highlight?
dunja: this is to see whether the
content fits or not, i used dummy pictures and text boxes
... the first page is a 'hot' story Ian wanted to see
... I agree with Ivan that there may be a bit too much
text
... would be good to have a good short story instead of this
one
... the second page is all about data integration with the
image of Ivan (to be modified)
... last page is the layercake with a little bit of technical
details
... the volume of the text is the maximum, we should not
produce more
... i hope we can make up the text for the first page
susie: looking good
... the next step is for the sweo participants to read it
feedback
ivan: dunja, you sent around a set of stories as well, we should discuss
dunja: yes, one is on the flyer
already
... it would be good to have one of those
<danja> apologies, will be in shortly
kingsley: the first page is not
on the wiki?
... dunja, can you put it up there?
<Dunja> 1. use case
susie: could you put it on the wiki and send around to the list
leo: on the first page there is a
rather technical description with the layercake
... i think for a flyer we should rather say something on how
to extend current web architecture with the SW
... on the third page you could say something 'you already put
data on the web' and now you can use rdf for others to pick it
up
... the example could also be Timbl's original example on the
dentist
<leobard> ivan: the example that is now on the flyer, it is not an artificial example
<leobard> ivan: the dentist example (talked by leo) is more artificial
<leobard> ivan: the example at the moment is 'personalized medicine' and is very graspable for people
<leobard> kingsley: we should have linked data in the example
dunja: the use cases are now on the wiki!
-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/group/wiki/Semantic_Web_Flyer pointer to the flyer on the wiki
bengee: we will have a call with
the comm team tomorrow
... 3pm UTC
... otherwise not much news
... i pinked sandro and alistair to ping them on the
logos
... i added a skos logo done by john breslin
... i also added a sparql logo that was created by zac bjelogrlic
ivan: nothing really happened
Leo: we had test customer, m
bergmann and d beckett
... many things came up
... michael had it in a sheet on google
... at the end things worked
kingsley: we realized that there
are more documentation we have to add
... it is a question on what target users we have
... michael did not realize that the content must be in
rdf
... the sticky point was that he realized that an ontology is
indeed
... some documentation is necessary
... m done his job, and we can use that as an example on how
data can be transformed
<leobard> i scribe:
<leobard> understood
susie: my action is that the data should be queriable by sparql endpoint, is it done?
leo: what i need is an entry point to all graphs
kingsley: i will save a few queries, and somebody else can open up the queries. The issue is what uris are available there?
susie: I think you talk about a
better documentation
... I think what kingsley is trying to say should be a simple
guide
... is it something kingsley is to done
<scribe> ACTION: kingsley to produce a documentation for the sparql usage on the info gathering side, for july 11 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-sweo-minutes.html#action01]
susie: ivan, can you try to motivate karen on the entr survey
ivan: I will try, susie should do it, too
susie: decided to have it in
October 24
... ivan is looking to see if we can have a room at mit
susie: got a meeting from steve
bratt
... we are meant to be discussing any agenda item we would like
on the meeting
... eg, future of xhtml, video, etc
... topics on a wide varietey
Leo: in the discussion with
bergman an issue came up
... we should not only educate the people outside about the
SW
... but we should also get the feedback from the broader world
on the SW and pass it on to the W3C
<leobard> the text by michael is: "In fact, and this is what I think you were getting at, David, the role
<leobard> of the SWEO is not to communicate from the W3C to the broader world, but
<leobard> actually, the opposite. The broader world has much to say, and the job
<leobard> of the SWEO needs to make the general world's viewpoints about usability
<leobard> and usefulness relevant back to the W3C's internal deliberations and
<leobard> standards. Have we pointed the horn in the right direction? If it has
<leobard> value, the world will listen."
Susie: i guess the people we would be looking to is people who are exploring the technology
Ivan: what is the difference between that and the survey?
susie: i think the survey was at
a higher level
... we were trying to understand what they were doing
... there was a section on what should sweo do
... I think bergman's would be more lower level
... it is not clear to me whether people would be providing
that input
leo: some of them are doing that
on the swig mailing list, but there is too much
... maybe a separate topic or area on 'key showstoppers' or
things like that
Susie: next wednesday is 4th of July, I propose to skip that, and next meeting is 11th July
kjetil: there is progress in my
project,
... but I have been busy finishing at opera
... this is the final meeting I have as opera
susie: big luck at computas
Susie: adjurn
<PaulaP> bye