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13:43:15 <ivan> zakim, this will be sweo
13:43:15 <Zakim> ok, ivan; I see SW_SWEO()10:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
13:43:29 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
13:44:05 <kjetilk> I'll hang around here, but there is so much to do right now, that I'm not sure I will call in
13:45:24 <kjetilk> yup
13:45:30 <kjetilk> my final release...
13:45:41 <kjetilk> but I'll go out with a bang :-)
13:45:52 <kjetilk> giving a talk about semweb for the company on Friday :-)
13:53:11 <ivan> which company?
13:53:24 <kjetilk> Opera
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14:00:11 <Zakim> + +1.781.273.aaaa
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14:00:34 <Zakim> +Dunja
14:00:36 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-home
14:00:36 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
14:00:38 <Zakim> +Ivan
14:00:47 <Zakim> +susie
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14:01:00 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is kingsley
14:01:00 <Zakim> +kingsley; got it
14:01:04 <Zakim> +??P27
14:01:20 <ivan> zakim, ??P27 is Leo
14:01:20 <Zakim> +Leo; got it
14:01:22 <Zakim> +PaulaP
14:01:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:02:02 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is Bengee
14:02:12 <Zakim> +Bengee; got it
14:03:03 <Zakim> +LeeF
14:03:16 <leobard> ivan: I used SkypeOut also some months ago, did work several times
14:03:41 <Zakim> -LeeF
14:06:09 <ivan> scribenick: ivan
14:06:16 <ivan> Topic: SW flyer
14:06:34 <Susie> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/group/wiki/Semantic_Web_Flyer
14:06:41 <ivan> dunja: I sent around a mockup of the flyer
14:06:49 <ivan> ... have you looked at it?
14:06:56 <ivan> susie: doing it now...:-)
14:07:09 <ivan> ... could you highlight?
14:07:26 <ivan> dunja: this is to see whether the content fits or not, i used dummy pictures and text boxes
14:07:55 <ivan> ... the first page is a 'hot' story Ian wanted to see
14:08:09 <ivan> ... I agree with Ivan that there may be a bit too much text
14:08:10 <Zakim> +Jeff_Schiffel
14:08:21 <ivan> ... would be good to have a good short story instead of this one
14:08:39 <ivan> ... the second page is all about data integration with the image of Ivan (to be modified)
14:08:51 <ivan> ... last page is the layercake with a little bit of technical details
14:09:04 <ivan> ... the volume of the text is the maximum, we should not produce more
14:09:18 <ivan> ... i hope we can make up the text for the first page
14:09:28 <ivan> susie: looking good
14:09:52 <ivan> .... the next step is for the sweo participants to read it feedback
14:10:22 <ivan> ivan: dunja, you sent around a set of stories as well, we should discuss 
14:10:34 <Zakim> + +1.603.886.aabb
14:10:46 <ivan> dunja: yes, one is on the flyer already
14:10:52 <ivan> .... it would be good to have one of those
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14:11:11 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Melli
14:11:11 <Zakim> +Melli; got it
14:11:16 <Zakim> +??P41
14:11:21 <leobard> q+
14:11:30 <ivan> zakim, ??P41 is orri
14:11:30 <Zakim> +orri; got it
14:11:33 <danja> apologies, will be in shortly
14:11:55 <ivan> kingsley: the first page is not on the wiki?
14:12:13 <ivan> ... dunja, can you put it up there?
14:12:41 <Dunja> 1. use case
14:13:38 <ivan> susie: could you put it on the wiki and send around to the list
14:13:58 <ivan> leo: on the first page there is a rather technical description with the layercake
14:14:25 <ivan> ... i think for a flyer we should rather say something on how to extend current web architecture with the SW
14:15:05 <ivan> ... on the third page you could say something 'you already put data on the web' and now you can use rdf for others to pick it up
14:16:59 <ivan> ... the example could also be Timbl's original example on the dentist
14:17:26 <leobard> ivan: the example that is now on the flyer, it is not an artificial example
14:17:44 <leobard> ivan: the dentist example (talked by leo) is more artificial
14:18:17 <leobard> ivan: the example at the moment is 'personalized medicine' and is very graspable for people
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14:18:46 <Zakim> +??P42
14:19:10 <danja> Zakim, ??P42 is danja
14:19:10 <Zakim> +danja; got it
14:19:32 <Zakim> +??P32
14:19:36 <_uldis> Zakim, ??P32 is uldis
14:19:36 <Zakim> +uldis; got it
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14:19:50 <danja> Zakim, mute me
14:19:50 <Zakim> danja should now be muted
14:20:27 <leobard> kingsley: we should have linked data in the example
14:21:01 <ivan> dunja: the use cases are now on the wiki!
14:21:37 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/group/wiki/Semantic_Web_Flyer pointer to the flyer on the wiki
14:21:42 <ivan> Topic: logos
14:21:52 <ivan> bengee: we will have a call with the comm team tomorrow
14:21:56 <ivan> ... 3pm UTC
14:22:16 <ivan> ... otherwise not much news
14:22:43 <ivan> ... i pinked sandro and alistair to ping them on the logos
14:22:53 <ivan> ... i added a skos logo done by john breslin
14:23:04 <ivan> ... i also added a sparql logo that was created by ???
14:23:16 <bengee> zac bjelogrlic
14:23:29 <ivan> Topic: use cases
14:23:33 <ivan> ivan: nothing really happened
14:23:55 <ivan> Topic: information gathering
14:24:09 <ivan> Leo: we had test customer, m bergmann and d beckett
14:24:15 <ivan> ... many things came up
14:24:40 <ivan> ... michael had it in a sheet on google
14:24:46 <ivan> ... at the end things worked
14:25:01 <ivan> kingsley: we realized that there are more documentation we have to add
14:25:18 <ivan> ... it is a question on what target users we have
14:25:30 <ivan> ... michael did not realize that the content must be in rdf
14:25:48 <ivan> ... the sticky point was that he realized that an ontology is indeed
14:25:57 <ivan> ... some documentation is necessary
14:26:21 <ivan> ... m done his job, and we can use that as an example on how data can be transformed
14:26:43 <leobard> i scribe:
14:26:51 <leobard> understood
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14:30:29 <ivan> susie: my action is that the data should be queriable by sparql endpoint, is it done?
14:31:02 <ivan> leo: what i need is an entry point to all graphs
14:31:41 <ivan> kingsley: i will save a few queries, and somebody else can open up the queries. The issue is what uris are available there?
14:32:17 <ivan> susie: I think you talk about a better documentation
14:32:21 <Zakim> +LeeF
14:32:32 <ivan> ... I think what kingsley is trying to say should be a simple guide
14:32:50 <ivan> ... is it something kingsley is to done
14:33:38 <ivan> action kingsley: produce a documentation for the sparql usage on the info gathering side, for july 11
14:33:53 <ivan> Topic: community project
14:34:04 <ivan> kjetil is not here
14:34:23 <ivan> Topic: entreprise survey
14:35:03 <ivan> susie: ivan, can you try to motivate karen on the entr survey
14:35:12 <ivan> ivan: I will try, susie should do it, too
14:35:17 <ivan> Topic: face to face meeting
14:35:33 <ivan> susie: decided to have it in October 24
14:35:44 <ivan> ... ivan is looking to see if we can have a room at mit
14:36:16 <ivan> Topic: tech plenary
14:36:29 <ivan> susie: got a meeting from steve bratt
14:36:54 <ivan> ... we are meant to be discussing any agenda item we would like on the meeting
14:37:53 <ivan> ... eg, future of xhtml, video, etc
14:38:03 <ivan> ... topics on a wide varietey
14:40:18 <ivan> Topic: leo's topic
14:40:36 <ivan> Leo: in the discussion with bergman an issue came up
14:40:46 <ivan> ... we should not only educate the people outside about the SW
14:41:24 <ivan> ... but we should also get the feedback from the broader world on the SW and pass it on to the W3C
14:41:44 <leobard> the text by michael is: "In fact, and this is what I think you were getting at, David, the role 
14:41:44 <leobard> of the SWEO is not to communicate from the W3C to the broader world, but 
14:41:44 <leobard> actually, the opposite.  The broader world has much to say, and the job 
14:41:44 <leobard> of the SWEO needs to make the general world's viewpoints about usability 
14:41:44 <leobard> and usefulness relevant back to the W3C's internal deliberations and 
14:41:45 <leobard> standards.  Have we pointed the horn in the right direction?  If it has 
14:41:47 <leobard> value, the world will listen."
14:42:03 <ivan> Susie: i guess the people we would be looking to is people who are exploring the technology
14:42:23 <ivan> Ivan: what is the difference between that and the survey?
14:42:32 <ivan> susie: i think the survey was at a higher level
14:42:42 <ivan> ... we were trying to understand what they were doing
14:43:00 <ivan> ... there was a section on what should sweo do
14:43:22 <ivan> ... I think bergman's would be more lower level
14:43:37 <ivan> ... it is not clear to me whether people would be providing that input
14:43:49 <Zakim> +??P3
14:43:52 <kjetilk> Zakim, ??P3 is me
14:43:52 <Zakim> +kjetilk; got it
14:43:56 <ivan> leo: some of them are doing that on the swig mailing list, but there is too much
14:44:15 <ivan> ... maybe a separate topic or area on 'key showstoppers' or things like that
14:44:37 <ivan> Topic: AOB
14:44:57 <ivan> Susie: next wednesday is 4th of July, I propose to skip that, and next meeting is 11th July
14:45:12 <danja> :-)
14:45:17 <ivan> Topic: community project (Kjetil)
14:45:33 <ivan> kjetil: there is progress in my project, 
14:45:45 <ivan> ... but I have been busy finishing at opera
14:45:58 <ivan> ... this is the final meeting I have as opera
14:46:08 <ivan> susie: big luck at computas
14:46:50 <ivan> Topic: AOB II.
14:46:54 <ivan> ...nothing
14:46:58 <ivan> Susie: adjurn
14:47:01 <danja> Zakim, unmute me
14:47:01 <Zakim> danja should no longer be muted
14:47:04 <PaulaP> bye
14:47:07 <Zakim> -kjetilk
14:47:08 <Zakim> -PaulaP
14:47:08 <Zakim> -Melli
14:47:09 <Zakim> -Dunja
14:47:11 <Zakim> -Bengee
14:47:15 <Zakim> -susie
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14:47:21 <Zakim> -Ivan
14:47:23 <Zakim> -kingsley
14:47:25 <Zakim> -uldis
14:47:27 <Zakim> -Leo
14:47:31 <Zakim> -orri
14:47:33 <Zakim> -danja
14:47:37 <Zakim> -LeeF
14:47:41 <Zakim> -Jeff_Schiffel
14:47:43 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
14:47:47 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.781.273.aaaa, Dunja, Ivan, susie, kingsley, Leo, PaulaP, Bengee, LeeF, Jeff_Schiffel, +1.603.886.aabb, Melli, orri, danja, uldis, kjetilk
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14:57:44 <ivan> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:57:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-sweo-minutes.html ivan
14:57:51 <ivan> zakim, bye
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14:57:55 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
14:57:55 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-sweo-actions.rdf :
14:57:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kingsley to produce a documentation for the sparql usage on the info gathering side, for july 11 [1]
14:57:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-sweo-irc#T14-33-38