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15 Jun 2007

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Attendees

Present
Liam, Andrew, Judy, Henny, Max, Sharron, Doyle, William, Allan, ????
Regrets
Sylvie, Shawn, Wayne
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
Liam

Contents


 

 

<Max> Hi, I'm Massimiliano from Bologna, Italy

<Andrew> scribe: Liam

<Andrew> scribenick: LiamMcGee

Conformance Referencing

<Andrew> URL: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#conformance-referencing

William: can we just tell peple to cut and paste?

<judy> draft ACTION: [referencing] Please note that the following language for referencing WCAG 2.0 can be inserted into your own documents.

<judy> ACTION: [referencing] After "this is informative," add "Please note that the following language for referencing WCAG 2.0 can be inserted into your own documents." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action01]

Andrew: can I confirm that YYYYMMDD etc will be substituted for real dates when published?

Judy: I think that is the intention.

<judy> ACTION: [referencing] Add "or must" after "shall" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action02]

Judy: does the distinction between 'should' and 'shall' make sense to people?

Andrew: Yes.

Liam: suggest recommend vs require

Judy: problem with confusion with specific meaning of 'recommendation' within w3c

<judy> draft ACTION: [referencing] Explain the difference in intent and approach between the "should" subsection and the "shall" subsection.

<judy> draft ACTION: [referencing] Clarify the rationale for the approaches in the "should" and "shall" subsections.

<judy> draft ACTION: [referencing] Copyedit all of the remaining text in "should" and "shall" sections for clarity.

<judy> draft ACTION: [referencing] Clarify the rationale for the provisions in the "should" and "shall" subsections.

Judy: Suggest collapsing into one, with section noting shall vs should

Sharon: Agree

<judy> ACTION: EOWG: come back to the intro of the referencing section and suggest a clarification that the "requiring" is by other organizations, not by w3c/wai [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action03]

Liam: are WCAG-WG trying to prevent 'best practice' being any less than all of WCAG

Judy: will ask for clarification

<judy> draft ACTION: [referencing] It is unclear why the approaches in the "should" section and the "shall" section are different. Consider combining these, or else clarify the rationale for the different approaches.

<judy> ACTION: JB check w/ WCAG WG Co-Chairs on what their intent was in the "referencing" section. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action04]

Judy: do sub-points of shall bullet make sense to people?

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#organization-of-wcag2

<judy> draft ACTION: [reference] The current draft uses inconsistent terminology for conformance levels (see the intro, then the conformance referencing section). Synchronize.

Liam: level naming is inconsistent

Judy: it's comlicated.

<judy> ACTION: [reference] The current draft uses inconsistent terminology for conformance levels (see the intro, then the conformance referencing section). Please synchronize. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action05]

<judy> draft ACTION: [reference] Please simply "That is, it is possible to require "all of Level 1 and [some specific list of success criteria in Level 2 and Level 3]" be met" by turning it into an example, e.g.:

<judy> For example, "all of Level 1 and [some specific list of success criteria in Level 2 and Level 3]."

<judy> Please simplify "That is, it is possible to require "all of Level 1 and [some specific list of success criteria in Level 2 and Level 3]" be met" by turning it into an example, e.g.: "For example, 'all of Level 1 and [some specific list of success criteria in Level 2 and Level 3].'"

<judy> ACTION: [referencing] Please simplify "That is, it is possible to require "all of Level 1 and [some specific list of success criteria in Level 2 and Level 3]" be met" by turning it into an example, e.g.: "For example, 'all of Level 1 and [some specific list of success criteria in Level 2 and Level 3].'" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action06]

Andrew: note 'not recommending AAA be required'. Query consistency.

<judy> draft ACTION: [referencing] The 4th subprovision under the "shall" section contradicts the third example, in that it implies that one can require conformance to all Level 3 success criteria.

<judy> ACTION: [referencing] The 4th subprovision under the "shall" section contradicts the third example, in that it implies that one can require conformance to all Level 3 success criteria. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action07]

William: that note needs discussion

Liam: agree

Andrew: Agree (in an Australian manner)

<judy> ACTION: JB ask them to clarify their intent abt level 3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action08]

<judy> draft ACTION: [referencing: support documents] This section needs copyediting to clarify the meaning and eliminate redundancies.

<judy> draft ACTION: [referencing: support documents] This section needs simplification and copyediting to clarify the meaning and eliminate redundancies; also, it should be included in the supporting documents.

<judy> ACTION: [referencing: support documents] This section needs simplification and copyediting to clarify the meaning and eliminate redundancies; also, it should be included in the supporting documents. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action09]

<judy> draft ACTION: [referencing] If maintaining that all of Level 3 should not be required, a better explanation is needed for this.

<judy> ACTION: [referencing] If maintaining that all of Level 3 should not be required, a better explanation is needed for this. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action10]

Guidelines section

<Andrew> url: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#guidelines

Justin: perceivable isn't defined either in the text or in the glossary

<Andrew> sorry - all the principles

<judy> draft ACTION: [principle 1] "'Perceivable'" is neither explained, nor defined here, nor is there a link to an explanation or a definition. Where it is introduced in the introduction, the explanation is brief, and not linked to the expanded explanation in the "Understanding" document.

<judy> ACTION: [principle 1] "'Perceivable'" is neither explained, nor defined here, nor is there a link to an explanation or a definition. Where it is introduced in the introduction, the explanation is brief, and not linked to the expanded explanation in the "Understanding" document. Please explain, or define, or link to such information. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action11]

<judy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-eo/2007AprJun/0081.html

<judy> draft ACTION: [SC 1.1.1] Flip the sentence from existing to: "If non-text content is any of the following, then text alternatives at least identify the non-text content with a descriptive text label: multimedia, live audio-only or live video-only content, a test or exercise that must be presented in non-text format, or primarily intended to create a specific sensory experience."

<judy> ACTION: [SC 1.1.1] Flip the sentence from existing to: "If non-text content is any of the following, then text alternatives at least identify the non-text content with a descriptive text label: multimedia, live audio-only or live video-only content, a test or exercise that must be presented in non-text format, or primarily intended to create a specific sensory experience." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action12]

<judy> draft action [SC 1.1.1 CAPTCHA] Instead of "then text alternatives that identify and describe the purpose of the non-text content are provided" say "then the text alternative should identify that at its purpose"; and FYI, EOWG thinks that a Technique should be written showing suggested language for this text alternative.

<judy> action [SC 1.1.1 CAPTCHA] Instead of "then text alternatives that identify and describe the purpose of the non-text content are provided" say "then the text alternative should identify that at its purpose"; and FYI, EOWG thinks that a Technique should be written showing suggested language for this text alternative.

All: Commitment to review each others comments and comment by Tuesday

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: [principle 1] "'Perceivable'" is neither explained, nor defined here, nor is there a link to an explanation or a definition. Where it is introduced in the introduction, the explanation is brief, and not linked to the expanded explanation in the "Understanding" document. Please explain, or define, or link to such information. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: [reference] The current draft uses inconsistent terminology for conformance levels (see the intro, then the conformance referencing section). Please synchronize. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: [referencing: support documents] This section needs simplification and copyediting to clarify the meaning and eliminate redundancies; also, it should be included in the supporting documents. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: [referencing] Add "or must" after "shall" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: [referencing] After "this is informative," add "Please note that the following language for referencing WCAG 2.0 can be inserted into your own documents." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: [referencing] If maintaining that all of Level 3 should not be required, a better explanation is needed for this. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: [referencing] Please simplify "That is, it is possible to require "all of Level 1 and [some specific list of success criteria in Level 2 and Level 3]" be met" by turning it into an example, e.g.: "For example, 'all of Level 1 and [some specific list of success criteria in Level 2 and Level 3].'" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: [referencing] The 4th subprovision under the "shall" section contradicts the third example, in that it implies that one can require conformance to all Level 3 success criteria. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: [SC 1.1.1] Flip the sentence from existing to: "If non-text content is any of the following, then text alternatives at least identify the non-text content with a descriptive text label: multimedia, live audio-only or live video-only content, a test or exercise that must be presented in non-text format, or primarily intended to create a specific sensory experience." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: EOWG: come back to the intro of the referencing section and suggest a clarification that the "requiring" is by other organizations, not by w3c/wai [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: JB ask them to clarify their intent abt level 3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: JB check w/ WCAG WG Co-Chairs on what their intent was in the "referencing" section. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-eo-minutes.html#action04]
 
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