<ivan> Slides for presentation

[ Ivan introduces Raphael ]

<RalphS> Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group

<RalphS> Cover Slide

<DanC> (which face is Raphael's?)

<RalphS> Raphael: I am in the center with my hand on my belt

<RalphS> [slide 2 - MMSem Pointers]

<RalphS> kudos for using the public mailing list for most of the discussion!

<RalphS> [slide 3 - MMSem Goals]

<RalphS> [slide 4 - MMSem Activities]

<RalphS> [slide 5 - MMSem Deliverables]

<RalphS> Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group Patent Policy Status

<RalphS> [slide 6 - Image Annotation on the Semantic Web]

<RalphS> [slide 7 - Image Annotation on the Semantic Web]

<RalphS> [slide 8 - Multimedia Annotation Interoperability Framework]

<RalphS> [slide 9 - Multimedia Annotation Interoperability Framework]

<RalphS> [slide 10 - Managing Personal Photos]

<RalphS> [slide 11 - Facetting Music Songs]

[slide 12 - Bringing NewsML in the Semantic Web]

[slide 13 - Managing your Web 2.0 Personomy]

[slide 14 - MPEG-7 and the Semantic Web]

<IanJ> "It's an ISO standard, making it difficult to use."

[slide 15 - Multimedia Vocabularies on the Semantic Web]

[slide 16 - Multimedia Semantics: Relevant Tools and Resources]

[slide 17 - Liaison]

[slide 18 - MMSem Success]

[slide 19 - MMSem Future]

<RalphS> Raphael: we hope to submit a new XG charter to W3C in mid-July

<RalphS> ... and would like to resume work in September

--- Q&A session---

Raphael: at the XG we used some XML-based schema
... and the question is if W3C should publish new ontologies based on these schemas
... and what we should do with that?

Ralph: thanks Raphael for an informative session
... have the XG considered publishing the ontologies in XG work space?

Raphael: yes, we have

<DanC> URIs for W3C Namespaces

Raphael: ... but we are not sure

DanC: wich community cares for continuing with this activity?

Ralph: the other interesting question is about maintainance
... and who would do it
... and I also wonder about the output of the XG
... what is the challenge for W3C about this output?

<DanC> DanC: if the community around the ontology is the XG, then the XG is more than welcome to publish the ontology at /YYYY/MM/blah-blah , per http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri

Raphaelif we publish an ontology, should we have just the OWL or a document also?

<ivan> +1

Raphael: the feeling within the group is not to follow a Rec track now (could be a target in another year)
... we would rather try to see if the existing technologies are enough
... we think they are not

<RalphS> Ralph: the consensus of both the SemWeb Best Practices WG and the SemWeb Deployment WG, as documented in the Vocabulary Management Working Draft(s) is that both forms -- the machine-readable OWL and the human-readable HTML are desirable

<Zakim> DanC, you wanted to note that the level of endorsement around a namespace is normally orthogonal to its URI

DanC: notes that the level of endorsement around a namespace is normally orthogonal to its URI

Ralph: is useful for the XG to point out what things can be re-used
... the XG can publish its work, new ontologies
... but what part of the community interested would like to see the REC stamp on it?

Raphael: we wondered also about that within the group
... about the formality, I am not sure they fully understand the W3C process
... currently we don't need to go to the formality of a WG but we might need it in the future

<Zakim> DanC, you wanted to ask about the "OWL expression of other work" case; remind me of one example? did the XG negotiate rights to do a derivative work? is the original org interested

<IanJ> I note that Raphael just uttered one of the things we are concerned about: no distinction between TR and xG report

<RalphS> Raphael: IPTC pretty much happy with things being published somewhere on w3.org

<RalphS> ... DIG35 not sure what level of formality we might need

DanC:do we have the right for derivative work (related to mpeg-7)?

Raphael: yes, we have rights to do derivative work
... I am not sure if we can publish this ontology, I need to check on that

<RalphS> Raphael: we made an official liaison with ISO and they're commenting on our work

DanC: is either of those organizations interested on publishing the OWL?

<raphael> I3A: I do not know

<RalphS> Raphael: ISO not interested in publishing OWL

International Imaging Industry Association (I3A)

Ivan: who is in discussions with them?

<RalphS> ... not sure if I3A is interested, but they're OK with W3C publishing when an agreement is signed

Raphael: Daniel Dardailler is involved on it

<SusanL> http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison

<RalphS> Raphael: our other question is how to get more industry involvement in follow-on work

<DanC> (which row in http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison ? a text search for "multimedia" fails)

<SusanL> search for Raphael :-)

<DanC> (ah... http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison#I3A )

Ivan: my initial reaction is that you should try to identify those members that would like to be involve, and then they should contact their AC Rep
... I would be happy to do such contacts

<raphael> yes DanC

Raphael: ok

<RalphS> Ian: we've discussed the potential of confusion between different kinds of TRs; in particular RECs and XG reports

Raphael: yes, sometimes

<RalphS> ... is it the case that [some of the liaisons] really don't care about the difference?

<RalphS> Raphael: they don't seem to care

Raphael: to participate in the group was a great experience, time consuming but great

Kaz: thanks for a good presentation, it was a pity I couldn't see the presentation at WWW2007, I attended W3C Track
... the Multimodal Interaction WG, which develops MMI Architecture etc., would like to collaborate

Raphael: that would be great

<kaz> http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/

Ivan: when do you plan to finally publish all the documents?

<SusanL> http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/

<SusanL> (public page is http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/)

Raphael: next week we will send it out

<IanJ> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/XGR/about.html

<SusanL> Yes we will be happy to make the publication news.

Ivan: can you provide us with a paragraph for the publication?
... SusanL will then *polish* it

Raphael: yes, will do

IanJ: is it ok to set expectation for next steps on that publication?

<IanJ> leave open public list

<IanJ> close member list

IanJ: what happen with mailing lists, for example?

<IanJ> close XG at the same time as publication

<IanJ> leave wiki open

<IanJ> also, please draft an email for the ac with expectations about next steps

Raphael: yes, the public mailing list stays open, member mailing list closes, wiki stays open, the reference to the XG dissapears

Ivan: thanks Raphael for your presentation

<RalphS> ACTION: Raphael review the record to be sure we accurately recorded his references to interests of other organizations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-minutes.html#action01]

Ivan: thanks everybody, motion to adjourn

MEETING ADJOURNED