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13:01:22 <RalphS> Meeting: Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group Review
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13:01:35 <RalphS> zakim, this will be muse
13:01:35 <Zakim> ok, RalphS, I see W3C_(MUSE)9:00AM already started
13:01:40 <RalphS> zakim, who's on the call?
13:01:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see [CWI]
13:01:49 <RalphS> zakim, cwi is probably Raphael
13:01:49 <Zakim> +Raphael?; got it
13:01:54 <raphael> zakim, [CWI] is raphael
13:01:54 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '[CWI]'
13:01:59 <raphael> oups
13:02:00 <ivan> Hi Raphael, we still have a meeting on the other end, just wait a bit...
13:02:02 <RalphS> zakim, Raphael is really Raphael
13:02:02 <Zakim> +Raphael; got it
13:02:18 <RalphS> our staff meeting is running over a minute or two, Raphael
13:02:32 <RalphS> agenda+ Visibility of this meeting record
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13:03:31 <Zakim> -Raphael
13:03:32 <Zakim> +Raphael
13:03:33 <Zakim> +Cooper
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13:04:16 <Zakim> +MIT531
13:04:26 <dom> Regrets+ dom 
13:04:30 <marie> salut raphael
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13:04:37 <RalphS> zakim, mit531 has Steve, Mauro, JoseMa, ralph
13:04:37 <Zakim> +Steve, Mauro, JoseMa, ralph; got it
13:04:38 <raphael> bonjour marie
13:04:55 <DanC> Zakim, is DanC here?
13:04:55 <Zakim> DanC, I see DanC in another telecon
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13:05:19 <Zakim> +Gerald
13:05:35 <Zakim> +DanC
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13:05:38 <Zakim> +Yves
13:05:39 <SusanL> zakim, please dial SusanL-BOS
13:05:39 <Zakim> ok, SusanL; the call is being made
13:05:39 <Zakim> +SusanL
13:05:46 <SusanL> zakim, please mute me
13:05:47 <Zakim> +Ted
13:05:49 <Zakim> SusanL should now be muted
13:05:59 <Zakim> -Gerald
13:06:08 <klaus> zakim, call Klaus-sip
13:06:08 <Zakim> ok, klaus; the call is being made
13:06:09 <Zakim> +Klaus
13:06:13 <Zakim> +Gerald
13:06:14 <Zakim> +??P6
13:06:23 <Zakim> -DanC
13:06:23 <ivan> zakim, ??P6 is ivan
13:06:23 <Zakim> +ivan; got it
13:06:28 <Zakim> +DanC
13:06:32 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
13:06:32 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
13:06:34 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
13:06:38 <Zakim> +Judy
13:06:46 <Zakim> +Ian
13:06:53 <SusanL> brb
13:07:14 <ivan> zakim, pick a victim
13:07:16 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Mauro
13:07:45 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/MUSE2007/ Slides for presentation
13:07:53 <mauro> Scribe: Mauro
13:08:00 <mauro> ScribeNick: mauro
13:08:14 <RalphS> Raphael Troncy, CWI
13:08:35 <Zakim> +Carine
13:08:35 <mauro> [ Ivan introduces Raphael ]
13:08:50 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/ Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group
13:09:04 <RalphS> zakim, who's on the call?
13:09:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Raphael, Cooper, MIT531, Gerald (muted), DanC, Yves, SusanL (muted), Ted (muted), ivan, Klaus, Kazuyuki (muted), Judy, Ian, Carine
13:09:06 <Zakim> MIT531 has Steve, Mauro, JoseMa, ralph
13:09:29 <IanJ> I have been in theater groups that, after a mere weekend of playing together, want to continue as a group forever. I suspect XGs are like that, too ;)
13:09:39 <DanC> DanC has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/MUSE2007/
13:09:41 <mauro> Chair: Raphael Troncy
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13:10:11 <RalphS> Chair: Ivan
13:10:16 <RalphS> Presenter: Raphael Troncy
13:10:46 <mauro> Meeting: Project Review W3C Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group
13:10:46 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/MUSE2007/ Cover Slide
13:10:52 <RalphS> q+ to ask which one is Raphael :)
13:11:05 <DanC> (which face is Raphael's?)
13:11:18 <RalphS> Raphael: I am in the center with my hand on my belt
13:11:41 <RalphS> [slide 2 - MMSem Pointers]
13:12:08 <RalphS> kudos for using the public mailing list for most of the discussion!
13:12:37 <RalphS> [slide 3 - MMSem Goals]
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13:14:24 <RalphS> [slide 4 - MMSem Activities]
13:15:30 <Zakim> +Liam
13:15:36 <RalphS> [slide 5 - MMSem Deliverables]
13:16:41 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/39139/status Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group Patent Policy Status
13:17:10 <RalphS> [slide 6 - Image Annotation on the Semantic Web]
13:17:18 <RalphS> [slide 7 - Image Annotation on the Semantic Web]
13:18:55 <RalphS> [slide 8 - Multimedia Annotation Interoperability Framework]
13:19:19 <RalphS> [slide 9 - Multimedia Annotation Interoperability Framework]
13:21:48 <RalphS> [slide 10 - Managing Personal Photos]
13:24:11 <Zakim> +Richard
13:24:30 <RalphS> [slide 11 - Facetting Music Songs]
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13:26:08 <Zakim> -Judy
13:27:52 <marie> zakim, dial mcf-617
13:27:52 <Zakim> ok, marie; the call is being made
13:27:54 <Zakim> +Mcf
13:28:07 <marie> zakim, mute mcf
13:28:07 <Zakim> Mcf should now be muted
13:30:31 <mauro> [slide 12 - Bringing NewsML in the Semantic Web]
13:31:05 <mauro> [slide 13 - Managing your Web 2.0 Personomy]
13:31:50 <mauro> [slide 14 - MPEG-7 and the Semantic Web]
13:32:02 <IanJ> "It's an ISO standard, making it difficult to us."
13:32:05 <IanJ> to use.
13:32:26 <mauro> s/us./use./
13:33:17 <mauro> [slide 15 - Multimedia Vocabularies on the Semantic Web]
13:34:50 <mauro> [slide 16 - Multimedia Semantics: Relevant Tools and Resources]
13:35:08 <mauro> [slide 17 - Liaison]
13:36:33 <mauro> [slide 18 - MMSem Success]
13:37:58 <mauro> [slide 19 - MMSem Future]
13:40:22 <ivan> q?
13:40:28 <RalphS> Raphael: we hope to submit a new XG charter to W3C in mid-July
13:40:40 <ivan> q?
13:40:41 <mauro> --- questions session---
13:40:43 <RalphS> ... and would like to resume work in September
13:41:15 <mauro> Raphael: at the XG we used some old schema
13:41:37 <mauro> ... and the question is if W3C should publish new ontologies
13:41:49 <mauro> ... and what we should do with that?
13:41:51 <RalphS> q+
13:41:51 <DanC> q+
13:41:58 <ivan> ack ralph
13:42:13 <mauro> Ralph: thanks Raphael for an informative session
13:42:27 <mauro> ... and have the XG consider publishing a ?
13:42:35 <mauro> Raphael: yes, we have
13:42:41 <RalphS> s/a ?/your ontologies in XG work space/
13:42:58 <DanC> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri URIs for W3C Namespaces
13:42:59 <ivan> ack dan
13:43:01 <RalphS> q+
13:43:03 <mauro> ... but we are not sure
13:43:19 <mauro> DanC: wich community cares for continuing with this activity?
13:43:37 <ivan> ack ralph
13:44:06 <mauro> Ralph: the other interesting question is about maintainance
13:44:11 <mauro> ... and who would do it
13:44:33 <mauro> ... and I also wonder about the output of the XG
13:45:01 <mauro> ... what is the challenge for W3C about this output?
13:45:14 <DanC> DanC: if the community around the ontology is the XG, then the XG is more than welcome to publish the ontology at /YYYY/MM/blah-blah , per http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri 
13:45:20 <mauro> Raphael: [mauro didn't get this...]
13:45:48 <ivan> +1
13:46:16 <RalphS> Raphael: if we publish an ontology, should we have just the OWL or a document also?
13:46:26 <mauro> Raphael: the feeling within the group is not to do follow a Rec track
13:46:39 <DanC> q+ to note that the level of endorsement around a namespace is normally orthogonal to its URI
13:46:47 <mauro> s/to do follow/to follow/
13:47:07 <mauro> ... we would rather try to see if the existing ones are enough
13:47:12 <mauro> ... we think they are not
13:47:16 <RalphS> Ralph: the consensus of both the SemWeb Best Practices WG and the SemWeb Deployment WG, as documented in the Vocabulary Management Working Draft(s) is that both forms -- the machine-readable OWL and the human-readable HTML are desirable
13:47:34 <ivan> ack danc
13:47:34 <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to note that the level of endorsement around a namespace is normally orthogonal to its URI
13:47:59 <RalphS> zakim, EricP just arrived in mit531
13:47:59 <Zakim> +EricP; got it
13:48:26 <mauro> DanC: notes that the level of endorsement around a namespace is normally orthogonal to its URI
13:49:01 <mauro> Ralph: is useful for the XG to point out what things can be re-used
13:49:18 <mauro> ... the XG can publish its work, new ontologies
13:49:50 <DanC> q+ to ask about the "OWL expression of other work" case; remind me of one example? did the XG negotiate rights to do a derivative work? is the original org interested to publish the OWL version?
13:50:22 <mauro> ... but what part of the community interested would like to see the REC stamp on it?
13:50:40 <mauro> Raphael: we wondered also abut that within the grouyp
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13:50:56 <mauro> s/grouyp/group/
13:51:28 <mauro> ... about the formality, I am not sure they understand the subleties of W3C process
13:51:45 <mauro> ... currently we don't need go to the formality of a WG
13:51:46 <ivan> ack danc
13:51:46 <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to ask about the "OWL expression of other work" case; remind me of one example? did the XG negotiate rights to do a derivative work? is the original org interested
13:51:49 <Zakim> ... to publish the OWL version?
13:51:53 <IanJ> I note that Raphael just uttered one of the things we are concerned about: no distinction between TR and xG report
13:51:53 <RalphS> Raphael: IPTC pretty much happy with things being published somewhere on w3.org
13:52:03 <mauro> s/need go/need to go/
13:52:11 <RalphS> ... DIG35 not sure what level of formality we might need
13:52:21 <mauro> DanC: [Mauro missed the question]
13:52:41 <ivan> danc: do we have the right for derivative work (related to mpeg-7)
13:53:03 <mauro> Raphael: yes we have rights to do derivative work
13:53:22 <mauro> ... I am not sure if we can publish this ontology, I need to check on that
13:53:25 <RalphS> Raphael: we made an official liaison with ISO and they're commenting on our work
13:54:14 <mauro> DanC: is either of those organizations interested on publishing the OWL?
13:54:15 <raphael> I3A 
13:54:35 <RalphS> Raphael: ISO not interested in publishing OWL
13:54:36 <mauro> International Imaging Industry Association (I3A)
13:54:59 <mauro> Ivan: who is in discussions with them?
13:55:01 <RalphS> ... not sure if I3A is interested, but they're OK with W3C publishing when an agreement is signed
13:55:23 <mauro> Raphael: Daniel is involved on it
13:55:28 <IanJ> q?
13:55:30 <IanJ> q+
13:55:50 <SusanL> http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison
13:56:13 <RalphS> Raphael: our other question is how to get more industry involvement in follow-on work
13:56:27 <DanC> (which row in http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison ? a text search for "multimedia" fails)
13:56:37 <SusanL> search for Raphael :-)
13:56:40 <DanC> (ah... http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison#I3A )
13:57:19 <mauro> Ivan: my initial reaction is that you should try to identify those members that would like to be involve, and they contact their AC Rep
13:57:20 <kaz> q+
13:57:26 <ivan> ack ian
13:57:30 <mauro> ... I would be happy to do such contacts
13:57:32 <raphael> yes DanC
13:57:35 <mauro> Raphael: ok
13:58:25 <RalphS> Ian: we've discussed the potential of confusion between different kinds of TRs; in particular RECs and XG reports
13:58:27 <mauro> Raphael: yes, sometimes
13:58:44 <RalphS> ... is it the case that [some of the liaisons] really don't care about the difference?
13:58:51 <RalphS> Raphael: they don't seem to care
13:59:05 <RalphS> s/Ralphael/Raphael/G
13:59:08 <RalphS> (just in case :)
13:59:55 <ivan> ack kaz
14:00:14 <mauro> Raphael: to participate in the group was a great experience, time consuming but great
14:00:35 <mauro> Kaz: thanks for a good presentation, sorry to be late, but I was in another meeting
14:01:18 <mauro> ... we would like to collaborate
14:01:31 <mauro> [Mauro not sure which group Kaz was referring to]
14:01:32 <steve> ... Multi-Modal Interactionn WG
14:01:48 <ivan> q?
14:01:49 <mauro> Raphael: that would be great
14:02:03 <kaz> http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/
14:02:15 <mauro> Ivan: when do you plan to finally publish all the documents?
14:02:20 <SusanL> http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/
14:02:29 <kaz> s/sorry to be late/it was a pity I couldn't see the presentation at WWW2007/
14:02:33 <SusanL> (public page is http://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/)
14:02:44 <mauro> Raphael: next week we will send it
14:03:03 <kaz> s/but I was in another meeting/I attended W3C Track/
14:03:11 <IanJ> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/XGR/about.html
14:03:22 <SusanL> Yes we will be happy to make the publication news.
14:03:47 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
14:03:51 <mauro> Ivan: can you provide us with a paragraph for the publication?
14:04:09 <mauro> ... SusanL will then *polish* it
14:04:22 <mauro> Raphael: yes, will do
14:04:51 <mauro> IanJ: is it ok to set expectation for next steps on that publication?
14:05:02 <IanJ> leave open public list
14:05:03 <IanJ> close member list
14:05:06 <mauro> ... what happen with mailing lists, for example?
14:05:08 <IanJ> close xg at the same time as publication
14:05:18 <IanJ> leave wiki open
14:06:36 <IanJ> also, please draft an email for the ac with expectations about next steps
14:06:39 <mauro> Raphael: yes, the public mailing list open, member list closed, wiki open, the reference to the XG dissapears
14:06:48 <kaz> s/Multi-Modal Interactionn WG/Multimodal Interaction WG which develops MMI Architecture etc./
14:07:08 <RalphS> q+
14:07:13 <RalphS> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:07:13 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Visibility of this meeting record" taken up [from RalphS]
14:07:26 <ivan> ack ralph
14:07:29 <DanC> +1 public record
14:07:35 <mauro> Ralph: I would like to make the records public
14:07:41 <mauro> Ivan: +1
14:07:52 <mauro> ... so they will be made public
14:08:05 <mauro> Ralph: please Raphael go back and check them
14:08:12 <DanC> +1 thanks Raphael!
14:08:14 <RalphS> rrsagent, please make record public
14:08:22 <mauro> Ivan: thanks Raphael for his presentation
14:08:41 <RalphS> ACTION: Raphael review the record to be sure we accurately recorded his references to interests of other organizations
14:08:53 <Zakim> -DanC
14:08:54 <raphael> raphael.troncy@cwi.nl
14:08:59 <RalphS> rrsagent, pointer?
14:08:59 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-irc#T14-08-59
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14:09:21 <Zakim> -Yves
14:09:24 <Zakim> -Cooper
14:09:25 <Zakim> -Carine
14:09:26 <Zakim> -Ted
14:09:26 <klaus> zakim, drop me
14:09:26 <mauro> Ivan: thanks everybody
14:09:27 <Zakim> Klaus is being disconnected
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14:09:28 <Zakim> -Klaus
14:09:30 <Zakim> -Ian
14:09:32 <Zakim> -Raphael
14:09:33 <Zakim> -ivan
14:09:34 <Zakim> -Richard
14:09:35 <mauro> MEETING ADJOURNED
14:09:35 <Zakim> -Mcf
14:09:37 <Zakim> -Gerald
14:09:38 <Zakim> -SusanL
14:09:40 <Zakim> -MIT531
14:09:42 <Zakim> -Liam
14:09:44 <Zakim> W3C_(MUSE)9:00AM has ended
14:09:46 <Zakim> Attendees were Raphael?, Raphael, Cooper, Steve, Mauro, JoseMa, ralph, Gerald, DanC, Yves, SusanL, Ted, Klaus, ivan, Kazuyuki, Judy, Ian, Carine, Liam, Richard, Mcf, EricP
14:10:02 <mauro> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:10:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-minutes.html mauro
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14:17:05 <IanJ> please delete.
14:17:13 <IanJ> it's not fatal, but since you asked. :)
14:17:19 <RalphS> ok :)
14:18:22 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
14:18:22 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-actions.rdf :
14:18:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Raphael review the record to be sure we accurately recorded his references to interests of other organizations [1]
14:18:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/14-muse-irc#T14-08-41