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SML Face to Face Meeting (3d day)

13 Jun 2007

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Regrets
Chair
Pratul
Scribe
ginny, Zulah

Contents


 

<Bassam> ACTION: Michael to open a bugzilla item on adding a conformance section to the spec. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-39 - Open a bugzilla item on adding a conformance section to the spec. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20].

<Bassam> ACTION: Michael to open an bugzilla item to consider "element level granualrity" for acyclic. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-40 - Open an bugzilla item to consider \"element level granualrity\" for acyclic. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20].

<Bassam> ACTION: Bassam to remove the sentence "If sml:acyclic=false is specified for R, then R is a cyclic reference type" from 3.4.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-41 - Remove the sentence \"If sml:acyclic=false is specified for R, then R is a cyclic reference type\" from 3.4.1 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<Bassam> ACTION: Bassam to update 3.4.2.2 so that its not enforce on empty or null reference elements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-42 - Update 3.4.2.2 so that its not enforce on empty or null reference elements [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<Bassam> ACTION: Bassam to fix formatting in first sentence of 3.4.2.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-43 - Fix formatting in first sentence of 3.4.2.3 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<ginny> /leave

<Bassam> rssagent, generate minutes

<plh> scribe: ginny

3.5 Identity Constraints

Kirk: questions why key, keyref restrictions in xsd are not present in sml

Pratul: intent was to abide by the xsd constraints for key, keyref

3.5

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam reword 3rd sentence to refer to the appropriate section in the xsd spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-44 - Reword 3rd sentence to refer to the appropriate section in the xsd spec [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

Action - 44

Action- 44

<scribe> ACTION: Sandy enter a bugzilla issue to track if the ref attribute of an SML identity constraint can refer to an XML Schema constraint [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-45 - Enter a bugzilla issue to track if the ref attribute of an SML identity constraint can refer to an XML Schema constraint [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam think about making wording of bullet point 3 (if an SML identity constraint is specified for an element dec. E, then this constraint is applicable...) to be more crisp about the scope [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-46 - Think about making wording of bullet point 3 (if an SML identity constraint is specified for an element dec. E, then this constraint is applicable...) to be more crisp about the scope [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam for bullet points 4,5 (...XPath expression must conform to...) we should remove the BNF and refer to the Schema spec section instead and add that the xpath expression can also include the deref() function [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action09]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-47 - For bullet points 4,5 (...XPath expression must conform to...) we should remove the BNF and refer to the Schema spec section instead and add that the xpath expression can also include the deref() function [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Michael to open an issue to investigate substitution groups for an element E that has an identity contstraint. Does this constraint apply to substitution groups? What does schema say? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action10]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-48 - Open an issue to investigate substitution groups for an element E that has an identity contstraint. Does this constraint apply to substitution groups? What does schema say? [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20].

Pratul: 3.5.2 is not normative

Zulah: 3.5.1 to 3.5.3 are all non-normative

Sandy: why does SML limit schematron constraints to globals

4

<scribe> ACTION: Michael to open an issue shematron constraints should be restricted to top level type definitions and element declarations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action11]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-49 - Open an issue about whether shematron constraints should be restricted to top level type definitions and element declarations [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Sandy to open an issue about supporting namespace declarations on the BNF for deref() function [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action12]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-50 - Open an issue about supporting namespace declarations on the BNF for deref() function [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-06-20].

Ginny: comments about 3.5.1 to 3.5.3 being non-normative will be included in the action item to revise document to better organize the normative and non-normative information

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam edit bullet point (A pattern MUST be evaluated for an instance by evaluation the rule elements...) to refer to the schematron spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action13]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-51 - Edit bullet point (A pattern MUST be evaluated for an instance by evaluation the rule elements...) to refer to the schematron spec [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

4.1 Localization of Error Messages

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam to more clearly denote the validator requirements since the entire paragraph is not optional. There is a required action within the paragraph (Localization of the natural language...) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action14]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-52 - More clearly denote the validator requirements since the entire paragraph is not optional. There is a required action within the paragraph (Localization of the natural language...) [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam correct typo "smlerr:output attributes" to "smlerr:localizationid attributes" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action15]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-53 - Correct typo \"smlerr:output attributes\" to \"smlerr:localizationid attributes\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam to prepare list of places in the spec to consider using "implementation defined" vs "implementation dependent" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action16]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-54 - Prepare list of places in the spec to consider using \"implementation defined\" vs \"implementation dependent\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

MSM: "implementation defined" implies a MUST requirement to document the implementation of the feature on the implementer

Next face to face meeting

Resolution: start early morning Aug 21 and finish noon on Aug 23; IBM hosts in Toronto (if rooms are available)

Public Working Drafts

Resolution: Use next week's teleconference to traige SML spec issues and decide which ones are required for 1st working draft; after that proceed to SML-IF spec
... including unresolved editor action items

5 Structure XML Output from Schematron Rules

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam look at sections in section 5 and see if we can make them more clear [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action17]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-55 - Look at sections in section 5 and see if we can make them more clear [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Vijay to enhance section 5.1 to clarify the nature of the application URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action18]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-56 - Enhance section 5.1 to clarify the nature of the application URI [on Vijay Tewari - due 2007-06-20].

Discussion on including other nodes like comments in the output from smlerr:output

scribe: refer to line in section 5.1 (If the node set contains namespace,...)
... This line is also unclear

<scribe> ACTION: Michael to open an issue for the expression= attribute (section 5.1) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action19]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-57 - Open an issue for the expression= attribute (section 5.1) [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam section 5.1.2 needs to be split into 2 sections. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action20]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-58 - Section 5.1.2 needs to be split into 2 sections. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam should update the 1st sentence of section 5.1.2 to state that the attribute must be used on an sch:report or sch:assert element. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action21]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-59 - Should update the 1st sentence of section 5.1.2 to state that the attribute must be used on an sch:report or sch:assert element. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

Pratul: section 5.1.3 is intended to be normative

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam to edit sentence in section 5.1.3 (Element nodes are serialized...) to say "Element nodes are serialized into their XML ..." ; remove "document order" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action22]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-60 - Edit sentence in section 5.1.3 (Element nodes are serialized...) to say \"Element nodes are serialized into their XML ...\" ; remove \"document order\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

6 Model Validation

john: section is incomplete

<scribe> ACTION: Virginia to log an issue to revisit section 6 and decide on its content after the editors' pass on separating normative/non-normative content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action23]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-61 - Log an issue to revisit section 6 and decide on its content after the editors\' pass on separating normative/non-normative content [on Virginia Smith - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam to clarify section 6.1 regarding Schematron phases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action24]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-62 - Clarify section 6.1 regarding Schematron phases [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<zulah> scribe: Zulah

Meeting closing time

JA: the group will continue until 6PM. For people who leave the meeting early today, there will be an opportunity to comment on the spec at the next time we take up the issue of SML-IF..

SML-IF, 1. Introduction

General discussion on the process of validation and the interoperability of validators

There is an open issue in the submission which will become an action item

This is open issue #5 in the SML-IF submission

SML-IF, 2. Informal description

JA: All of topic 2 is non-normative

There is agreement to skip the non-normative sections and move to the normative. Issues should be logged with Bugzilla

SML-IF, 3. SML -IFNormative Definitions

<scribe> ACTION: MSM to open a bugzilla issue to determine appropriate definitions for section 3.1 "consumer" such that a consumer is not required to validate a model when engaging in an exchange. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action25]

<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - MSM

<scribe> ACTION: Michael to open a bugzilla issue to determine appropriate definitions for section 3.1 "consumer" such that a consumer is not required to validate a model when engaging in an exchange. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action26]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-63 - Open a bugzilla issue to determine appropriate definitions for section 3.1 \"consumer\" such that a consumer is not required to validate a model when engaging in an exchange. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam look through SML-IF for all qualifications of the word "model" and if they are anything other than "valid" or "invalid" recast them. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action27]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-64 - Look through SML-IF for all qualifications of the word \"model\" and if they are anything other than \"valid\" or \"invalid\" recast them. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam to change "representing" to "that constitutes" in "The purpose of SML-IF is to package the set of documents representing an SML model ..." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action28]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-65 - Change \"representing\" to \"that constitutes\" in \"The purpose of SML-IF is to package the set of documents representing an SML model ...\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam to remove the third sentence of paragraph #1 ("The documents in the interchange set constitute the SML model being interchanged.") [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action29]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-66 - Remove the third sentence of paragraph #1 (\"The documents in the interchange set constitute the SML model being interchanged.\") [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

MSM: questions whether it is necessary to stipulate UTF-8, UTF-16

pratul: Leaving encoding schemes open puts interop at risk

MSM: if we think the interoperabiltiy of XML is insufficient, then it should be addressed by XML

JA: Two issues (1) UTF-8,16 as a floor for SML-IF (2) since we have a requirement for XML 1.0, stating this would be redundant
... Everyone agrees with #1.
... MSM's proposal is to remove UTF-8, 16 as floor encoding requirements

Sandy: your model needs to be encoded in a single encoding

<plh> "Although an XML processor is required to read only entities in the UTF-8 and UTF-16 encodings, it is recognized that other encodings are used around the world, and it may be desired for XML processors to read entities that use them."

plh: UTF 8 is an issue for Japanese character sets because (as an example) its use can greatly increase the size of a file

<plh> "4.3.3 Character Encoding in Entities" http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#charencoding

JA: again, (1) do we need a floor constraint on encoding and (2) same question about a ceiling

<scribe> ACTION: Pratul to log the floor issue in bugzilla [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action30]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-67 - Log the floor issue in bugzilla [on Pratul Dublish - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: MSM to log the ceiling issue in bugzilla (constraint on encoding) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action31]

<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - MSM

Sandy: schema does not say what a valid XML document is (RE: "...MUST be valid under the XML Schema... ")

<scribe> ACTION: Sandy: will supply words to replace "...MUST be valid under the XML Schema .." such that they will be consistent with current Schema terminology. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action32]

<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Sandy:

<scribe> ACTION: Sandy to will supply words to replace "...MUST be valid under the XML Schema .." such that they will be consistent with current Schema terminology. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action33]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-68 - Will supply words to replace \"...MUST be valid under the XML Schema ..\" such that they will be consistent with current Schema terminology. [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Pratul to load open issues into bugzilla [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action34]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-69 - Load open issues into bugzilla [on Pratul Dublish - due 2007-06-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Bassam to remove the open issues from the SML-IF document after Pratul logs them in bugzilla (Action 69) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action35]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-70 - Remove the open issues from the SML-IF document after Pratul logs them in bugzilla (Action 69) [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<jim> ACTION: bassam change sentence in 3.2 referring to Each document in the interchange set ... to "represented in SML-IF by a separate document element " [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action36]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-71 - change sentence in 3.2 referring to Each document in the interchange set ... to \"represented in SML-IF by a separate document element \" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<jim> ACTION: michael to log an issue considering whether the mention of "octet stream" in 3.2 is appropriate. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action37]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-72 - Log an issue considering whether the mention of \"octet stream\" in 3.2 is appropriate. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20].

<jim> ACTION: sandy to open an issue considering whether the removal of DTD mentioned in Item 1 under section 3.2 is problematic. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action38]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-73 - Open an issue considering whether the removal of DTD mentioned in Item 1 under section 3.2 is problematic. [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-06-20].

<jim> ACTION: john Open an issue to add text in section 3.2 to require that consumers and producers are required to implement at a minimum the usr scheme. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action39]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-74 - Open an issue to add text in section 3.2 to require that consumers and producers are required to implement at a minimum the uri scheme. [on John Arwe - due 2007-06-20].

<pratul> rrsagent generate minutes

<jim> action bassam To change "Each definition document in the interchange " in 3.2 to "Each model definition document"

<pratul> rrsagent generate minutes

<ginny> ACTION: bassam To change "Each definition document in the interchange " in 3.2 to "Each model definition document" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action40]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-75 - Change \"Each definition document in the interchange \" in 3.2 to \"Each model definition document\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<jim> ACTION: john To open bugzilla issue to document why we did not use sml:reftype in documentURI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action41]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-76 - Open bugzilla issue to document why we did not use sml:reftype in documentURI [on John Arwe - due 2007-06-20].

<jim> ACTION: bassam To reword the last sentence of 3.2 from "appears as a child of a document element " to more clearly cover the cases where the child element is not in an embedded document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action42]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-77 - Reword the last sentence of 3.2 from \"appears as a child of a document element \" to more clearly cover the cases where the child element is not in an embedded document [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<jim> ACTION: michael To open an issue clarifying 3.3.1 regarding which part of the RFC defines URI equivalence. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action43]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-78 - Open an issue clarifying 3.3.1 regarding which part of the RFC defines URI equivalence. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20].

<jim> ACTION: sandy to consider the use of xml:base rather than the sml-defined base uri [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action44]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-79 - Consider the use of xml:base rather than the sml-defined base uri [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-06-20].

<jim> ACTION: bassam To append to 3.3.2 "Consumers MUST NOT interpret wsa:address " the phrase "or any other schmes other than uri" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action45]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-80 - Append to 3.3.2 \"Consumers MUST NOT interpret wsa:address \" the phrase \"or any other schmes other than uri\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].

<jim> ACTION: john To open an issue to reword section 3.3.3 to correctly reflect what needs to be required of implementors or schemes other than uri. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action46]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-81 - Open an issue to reword section 3.3.3 to correctly reflect what needs to be required of implementors or schemes other than uri. [on John Arwe - due 2007-06-21].

<ginny> /leave

<MSM> Proposal: lose "Each member of the set of all alias URIs in an SML-IF document MUST be unique."

<jim> ACTION: bassam Remove "Each member of the set of all alias URIs in an SML-IF document MUST be unique. " from 3.3.4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action47]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-82 - Remove \"Each member of the set of all alias URIs in an SML-IF document MUST be unique. \" from 3.3.4 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-21].

<jim> ACTION: Phillipe Suggest wording for 3.3.6 now reading "otherwise, if the URI representing". [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action48]

<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Phillipe

<plh> ACTION: Philippe to suggest wording for 3.3.6 now reading "otherwise, if the URI representing". We should accept all kind of URI without fragments. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action49]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-83 - Suggest wording for 3.3.6 now reading \"otherwise, if the URI representing\". We should accept all kind of URI without fragments. [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2007-06-21].

<jim> ACTION: bassam Swap the words only and contains in the first sentence of 3.3.6 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action50]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-84 - Swap the words only and contains in the first sentence of 3.3.6 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-21].

3.4 Rule Document Bindings

<Sandy> Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called ¡°an unresolved inter-document reference.¡±

<Sandy> With: If neither of these cases applies, the reference is called ¡°an unresolved inter-document reference.¡±

<jim> ACTION: bassam Remove the sentence "By definition, unresolved inter-document references are references to documents (or to elements in documents) not included in the interchange." from 3.3.6 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action51]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-85 - Remove the sentence \"By definition, unresolved inter-document references are references to documents (or to elements in documents) not included in the interchange.\" from 3.3.6 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-21].

<jim> ACTION: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called ¡°an unresolved inter-document reference.¡± [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action52]

<trackbot-ng> Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/sml/

<jim> ACTION: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called ¡°an unresolved inter-document reference.¡± [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action53]

<trackbot-ng> Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/sml/

<plh> ACTION: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called "an unresolved inter-document reference." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action54]

<plh> ACTION: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called "an unresolved inter-document reference." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action55]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-86 - In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called \"an unresolved inter-document reference.\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-21].

<Sandy> question about section 3.4.1. prefix: "http://abc/d" target: "http://abc/def/xyz". match?

<MSM> Consider document URIs http://example.com/students/grad001.xml

<MSM> http://example.com/students/grad002.xml

<MSM> ...

<MSM> http://example.com/students/grad999.xml

<MSM> http://example.com/students/undergrad001.xml

<MSM> http://example.com/students/undergrad002.xml

<MSM> http://example.com/students/undergrad999.xml

<jim2> ACTION: bassam Remove the sentence "Given a prefix and a set of URIs, the matching set of the prefix is that subset of the URIs that match the prefix." from 3.4.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action56]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-87 - Remove the sentence \"Given a prefix and a set of URIs, the matching set of the prefix is that subset of the URIs that match the prefix.\" from 3.4.1 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-21].

<MSM> Discussion of whether the prefix matching is really as simple as it sounds. Is the intent that the prefix really ought to be an integral number of path steps?

<MSM> If so, then really the match ought to require that the prefix match the part of the URI just before or just ending with a slash.

<MSM> The example above, which allows prefixes http://example.com/students/grad and .../undergrad, would not work then. We decided (a) that it ought to work and (b) that that was the intent.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: bassam change sentence in 3.2 referring to Each document in the interchange set ... to "represented in SML-IF by a separate document element " [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action36]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam correct typo "smlerr:output attributes" to "smlerr:localizationid attributes" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action15]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam edit bullet point (A pattern MUST be evaluated for an instance by evaluation the rule elements...) to refer to the schematron spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam for bullet points 4,5 (...XPath expression must conform to...) we should remove the BNF and refer to the Schema spec section instead and add that the xpath expression can also include the deref() function [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called "an unresolved inter-document reference." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action54]
[NEW] ACTION: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called "an unresolved inter-document reference." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action55]
[NEW] ACTION: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called ¡°an unresolved inter-document reference.¡± [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action52]
[NEW] ACTION: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called ¡°an unresolved inter-document reference.¡± [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action53]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam look at sections in section 5 and see if we can make them more clear [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action17]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam look through SML-IF for all qualifications of the word "model" and if they are anything other than "valid" or "invalid" recast them. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action27]
[NEW] ACTION: bassam Remove "Each member of the set of all alias URIs in an SML-IF document MUST be unique. " from 3.3.4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action47]
[NEW] ACTION: bassam Remove the sentence "By definition, unresolved inter-document references are references to documents (or to elements in documents) not included in the interchange." from 3.3.6 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action51]
[NEW] ACTION: bassam Remove the sentence "Given a prefix and a set of URIs, the matching set of the prefix is that subset of the URIs that match the prefix." from 3.4.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action56]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam reword 3rd sentence to refer to the appropriate section in the xsd spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam section 5.1.2 needs to be split into 2 sections. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action20]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam should update the 1st sentence of section 5.1.2 to state that the attribute must be used on an sch:report or sch:assert element. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action21]
[NEW] ACTION: bassam Swap the words only and contains in the first sentence of 3.3.6 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action50]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam think about making wording of bullet point 3 (if an SML identity constraint is specified for an element dec. E, then this constraint is applicable...) to be more crisp about the scope [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: bassam To append to 3.3.2 "Consumers MUST NOT interpret wsa:address " the phrase "or any other schmes other than uri" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action45]
[NEW] ACTION: bassam To change "Each definition document in the interchange " in 3.2 to "Each model definition document" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action40]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam to change "representing" to "that constitutes" in "The purpose of SML-IF is to package the set of documents representing an SML model ..." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action28]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam to clarify section 6.1 regarding Schematron phases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action24]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam to edit sentence in section 5.1.3 (Element nodes are serialized...) to say "Element nodes are serialized into their XML ..." ; remove "document order" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action22]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam to fix formatting in first sentence of 3.4.2.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam to more clearly denote the validator requirements since the entire paragraph is not optional. There is a required action within the paragraph (Localization of the natural language...) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam to prepare list of places in the spec to consider using "implementation defined" vs "implementation dependent" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam to remove the open issues from the SML-IF document after Pratul logs them in bugzilla (Action 69) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action35]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam to remove the sentence "If sml:acyclic=false is specified for R, then R is a cyclic reference type" from 3.4.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam to remove the third sentence of paragraph #1 ("The documents in the interchange set constitute the SML model being interchanged.") [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action29]
[NEW] ACTION: bassam To reword the last sentence of 3.2 from "appears as a child of a document element " to more clearly cover the cases where the child element is not in an embedded document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action42]
[NEW] ACTION: Bassam to update 3.4.2.2 so that its not enforce on empty or null reference elements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: john Open an issue to add text in section 3.2 to require that consumers and producers are required to implement at a minimum the usr scheme. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action39]
[NEW] ACTION: john To open an issue to reword section 3.3.3 to correctly reflect what needs to be required of implementors or schemes other than uri. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action46]
[NEW] ACTION: john To open bugzilla issue to document why we did not use sml:reftype in documentURI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action41]
[NEW] ACTION: michael to log an issue considering whether the mention of "octet stream" in 3.2 is appropriate. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action37]
[NEW] ACTION: Michael to open a bugzilla issue to determine appropriate definitions for section 3.1 "consumer" such that a consumer is not required to validate a model when engaging in an exchange. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action26]
[NEW] ACTION: Michael to open a bugzilla item on adding a conformance section to the spec. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Michael to open an bugzilla item to consider "element level granualrity" for acyclic. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: michael To open an issue clarifying 3.3.1 regarding which part of the RFC defines URI equivalence. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action43]
[NEW] ACTION: Michael to open an issue for the expression= attribute (section 5.1) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action19]
[NEW] ACTION: Michael to open an issue shematron constraints should be restricted to top level type definitions and element declarations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Michael to open an issue to investigate substitution groups for an element E that has an identity contstraint. Does this constraint apply to substitution groups? What does schema say? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: MSM to log the ceiling issue in bugzilla (constraint on encoding) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action31]
[NEW] ACTION: MSM to open a bugzilla issue to determine appropriate definitions for section 3.1 "consumer" such that a consumer is not required to validate a model when engaging in an exchange. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action25]
[NEW] ACTION: Philippe to suggest wording for 3.3.6 now reading "otherwise, if the URI representing". We should accept all kind of URI without fragments. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action49]
[NEW] ACTION: Phillipe Suggest wording for 3.3.6 now reading "otherwise, if the URI representing". [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action48]
[NEW] ACTION: Pratul to load open issues into bugzilla [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action34]
[NEW] ACTION: Pratul to log the floor issue in bugzilla [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action30]
[NEW] ACTION: Sandy enter a bugzilla issue to track if the ref attribute of an SML identity constraint can refer to an XML Schema constraint [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: sandy to consider the use of xml:base rather than the sml-defined base uri [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action44]
[NEW] ACTION: Sandy to open an issue about supporting namespace declarations on the BNF for deref() function [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: sandy to open an issue considering whether the removal of DTD mentioned in Item 1 under section 3.2 is problematic. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action38]
[NEW] ACTION: Sandy to will supply words to replace "...MUST be valid under the XML Schema .." such that they will be consistent with current Schema terminology. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action33]
[NEW] ACTION: Sandy: will supply words to replace "...MUST be valid under the XML Schema .." such that they will be consistent with current Schema terminology. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action32]
[NEW] ACTION: Vijay to enhance section 5.1 to clarify the nature of the application URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action18]
[NEW] ACTION: Virginia to log an issue to revisit section 6 and decide on its content after the editors' pass on separating normative/non-normative content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action23]
 
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