SML face-to-face meeting -- 11 Jun 2007

<MSM-SEA> Pratul calls meeting to order ...

<MSM-SEA> agenda: PLH on w3c process

<MSM-SEA> Pratul Dublish on SML

<MSM-SEA> John Arwe on SML Interchange Format

<MSM-SEA> then we'll walk through the specs

<MSM-SEA> [If we want queue management, we need Zakim.]

<plh> http://www.w3.org/2007/Talks/0506-sb-w3cintro/Overview.html

<MSM-SEA> [John Arwe arrives]

<MSM-SEA> PLH walks through Steve Bratt's slides, with emphasis on the process ...

<Paul> time

<MSM-SEA> PD: how do we evangelize and get more members?

<MSM-SEA> PLH: talk to likely organizations individually, present the technology at the Tech Plenary ...

<MSM-SEA> Pratul: presentation of SML

<plh> s/Brian\\/Brian/

Pratul presentation on SML

<plh> Scribe: Marvin

<plh> trackbot-ng, status

<plh> scribe: marv

<scribe> scribe: marv

<plh>

<VijayIntel> Vijay from Intel is present too:)

<VijayIntel> Unless Vijay was meant to be Vijay

<plh> The Federated CMDB Vision "A Joint White Paper from BMC, CA, Fujitsu, HP, IBM, and Microsoft"

<Paul> query kirk test -- is this the way to to send a private msg?

Kirk: Is there a reason SML ref is not compatible with XPATH 2.0 ?

Pratul: We did not look at 2.0 at the time

How is cyclic determined?

Documents are nodes, references are edges. A cycle exists when the ref chain points

to a previously ref document.

Is SML closed under references?

Not, unless ‘targetRequired’ is set for each individual reference..

Can you restrict deref values?

Yes, as part of the expression.

Is ‘deref(Courses)’ in the presentation a simplification for deref(Courses/course)?

Yes.

What if there are two references in one deref’d node?

The xpath selector decides.

What is intended deployment environment for SML and models?

From MS perspective, we wanted to build models of IT systems. But the spec has

nothing to do with that use case.

What does ‘SML based’ mean?

CMDB uses SML models to validate IT configurations and we say it is SML based.

Can SML ref attribute have a declared default?

It defaults to true.

Pratul's presentation ends.

John's presentation begins

Michael: Define incomplete?

John: Can't say what complete is, so we must allow incomplete.

W3C Process Overview

Paul: Will presentations be emailed out?

John/Michael: They will be archived in some open way-- html, pdf-- and url made available.

Michael: Rationale for requirement for identifying 'root' documents?

John: Historical, unsure.

Editors

<plh> Resolution: Valentina, Virginia, Marvin, Bassam, Jim

<MSM-SEA> second test ...

<plh> trackbot-ng, status

<plh> ACTION: Philippe to demonstrate the trackbot [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html#action01]

<valentina> ack

<cgi-irc> join #test

<plh> ACTION: Philippe to demonstrate the trackbot [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2 - Demonstrate the trackbot [on Philippe Le HÃ©garet - due 2007-06-19].

<plh> action-2 closed

<trackbot-ng> Sorry... I don't know how to close ACTION yet

Kirk: Should validation be separated out?

Discussion -- More readable if the validation is mixed in,

Michael: Introduction carries history of IT Management. Should introduction be clearer that it extends beyond IT? Cross doc validation in general.

<scribe> ACTION: Michael: Open issue in Bugzilla to generalize the introduction. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - msm:

Michael explains Bugzilla process

<scribe> ACTION: MSM-SEA : Open issue in Bugzilla to generalize introduction [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - MSM-SEA

<MSM-SEA> For the record, the issue is issue 4627, http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4627

<scribe> ACTION: MSM-SEA: Set Bugzilla notification policy appropriately [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - MSM-SEA:

MSM requests feedback on notification level from group

<plh> ACTION: Michael to open issue in Bugzilla to generalize introduction [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-3 - Open issue in Bugzilla to generalize introduction [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-19].

<plh> ACTION: Michael to set Bugzilla notification policy appropriately [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-4 - Set Bugzilla notification policy appropriately [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-19].

What about Schema 1.1?

John: Mark introduction as non-normative

ACTION to marv As editor, designate normative and non-normative sections in editing

<scribe> ACTION: marv to designate normative and non-normative sections when editing. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - marv

<plh> trackbot-ng, status

<plh> ACTION: Marvin to designate normative and non-normative sections when editing. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/11-sml-minutes.html#action09]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-5 - Designate normative and non-normative sections when editing. [on Marvin Waschke - due 2007-06-19].

Michael: XML 1.0 v XML 1.1 need explicit statement

Valentina: Align SML and SML-IF terminology
... 'Rules' must be defined more completely,

John: Model Definition should become Model Def Document
... Further explain SML model
... Definition of 'complete'

- DRAFT -

SML face-to-face meeting

11 Jun 2007

Attendees

Contents

Pratul presentation on SML

John's presentation begins

W3C Process Overview

Editors

Summary of Action Items

Scribe.perl diagnostic output