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<DanC> in the presence of RRSAgent and all god's creation, I hereby authorize john-l to update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/test_results
<john-l> ACTION: john-l to update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/test_results based on recent GRDDL.py changes. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
<DanC> 1/2 ;-)
<DanC> only half a smiley.
<DanC> i.e. I meant it seriously, but I said it humorously
<DanC> how about updating it now? can you do `make test_results_auto.html` ?
<john-l> Nope, my ssh key is on my computer at home. At work we have stupid 'd0z3 boxen.
<DanC> ah. boring.
<DanC> Scribe: danja
<john-l> I note john-l, FabienG, DanC, danja, jjc, Simone, HarryH on the phone. Am I missing anyone?
<DanC> minutes 16 May
<DanC> RESOLVED: to approve minutes 16 May
<DanC> regrets danc 30 May
<DanC> HH travelling, but should be available 30 may
<DanC> PROPOSED: to meet again 30 May, HH/JJC to chair, ...
<FabienG> pick me
<DanC> RESOLVED: to meet again 30 May, HH/JJC to chair, FabienG to scribe.
jeremy: apologies, no caught up with actions
<DanC> ACTION: jjc to look at namespace document closely. [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
<DanC> chair doesn't see any reason for apology.
holidays considered helpful
ns doc action not urgent
<DanC> jjc: we told a commentor that we'd do it[?] before PR
on schedule for pr sometime in June
^ was HarryH
<DanC> ACTION: jjc to write an normative test case showing that if the transform is broken, you should not get a partial result, you should get no results. [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
DanC: error codes common in spec
<DanC> no, not common
jjc: lot of work
<DanC> but there's large catalog of errors in XQuery
HarryH concerned about blocks to PR
<DanC> DanC less concerned
<DanC> ACTION: jjc to write text about base-uri, which may become normative. [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
<DanC> ACTION: john-l to implement htmlbase1 [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
htmlbase1 is already approved
<DanC> jjc on beckett on base http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007May/0014.html
<DanC> beckett 4 May http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0051.html
HarryH suggests update of xslt
fabien: last time we talked about base, should be taken from source
jjc: correct for htmll
fabian: if param not set...with h for local refs...?
Danc: suggests no use for params
fabian: useful if saved to local disk
loses ref to source uri
otherwise should be ok
jjc: why not test without
... if so add comment (giving fabiens exception) & reply to dajobe
kept in primer material space
<DanC> ACTION: Fabien to clarify purpose of uri param in RDFa2RDFXML.xsl [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
part of charter to define interop with RDFa
<DanC> ACTION: HH to remove or clarify base param in eRDF transformation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
DanC: online grddl service uses base params?
<DanC> ACTION: DanC to remove base param from online GRDDL service and home2rss.xsl [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]
HarryH: would be good to get it compliant with spec
DanC: independent implementation, with bugs
suggestion - ask Dom
<DanC> ACTION: HH to ask Dom to check his XSLT against current GRDDL tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]
current version 1.13
<DanC> ACTION: chimezie to start an index of tests by normative assertion (proxy for feature) [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]
(chime at conferences)
<DanC> ACTION: HarryH to start an index of tests by issue (not urgent; due 30 May) [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]
<DanC> ACTION: john-l to turn "fails" into passes on GRDDL.py and rebuild test-results [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12]
john-l , passed everything but eRDF 4 (not approved test)
<john-l> (not yet checked in summary)
jjc: base URI issues in that case
<DanC> embedded-rdf4 pass fail
john-l: will take another look
<john-l> ACTION: john-l to try to implement #embedded-rdf4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13]
jjc: monitoring approved cases
"anyone remember why this test was unethical?" it sounded like...
<jjc> ^unethical^not applicable^
<DanC> "The precise relationship between the features of GRDDL and the approved tests, as well as the removal of unapproved tests, will happen before GRDDL Test Cases becomes a Proposed Recommendation." -- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/test_results
DanC: got a todo to clarify "not applicable"
<john-l> Doesn't http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#multiple-output explain the not applicable situation?
john-l: the remaining case covered by previous action
<john-l> ACTION: john-l to add link from report to spec explaining multiple results and not applicable relationship [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14]
<DanC> ACTION: HarryH to check any primer fixes in, Murray and Jeremy to review once finished. [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15]
HarryH: primer near enough for reviewing
jjc: waiting for go-ahead for review, you only get one decent review per reviewer
HarryH: tempted to leave review actions until after PR (accurate..?)
jjc: can't see getting to PR without primer
DanC: looking at editors draft
<DanC> ACTION: jjc to review primer http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html v 1.71 2007/05/06 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action16]
<DanC> ACTION: danja to review primer http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html v 1.71 2007/05/06 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action17]
HarryH: got Gnumeric format xslt
... wondering if healthcare example too complex, can swap in spreadsheet example
jjc: probably about time to call it a day on primer (barring big errors)
spreadsheet/healthcare different from use case pov
DanC: have a look at mnot's Excel xslt
<DanC> ACTION john-l : draft an excel spreadsheet primer section
reviews - run examples, see if they break
<john-l> ACTION: john-l to draft an Excel spreadsheet primer section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action18]
jjc: doesn't expect primer to be rec track any more
(audio breaking up)
<DanC> PROPOSED: to take the primer to WG Note status in 1 week to 1 month
<jjc> (currently I would abstain)
re. rec/note - I'll go with majority
<jjc> that's called a 'concur'
<john-l> jjc: Why would you abstain?
<jjc> I've not looked at the text ever!
<john-l> Ah. Good reason. :)
"do you have specific issues" directed at wrong person
<DanC> jjc's msg re suda's xslt http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0115.html
<john-l> briansuda_: ping
<john-l> Can you give some more feedback on the invalid RDF question?
jjc: nothing to add to that message at this stage
<john-l> We're discussing it now.
<DanC> briansuda_, the xmlns="" 's look bogus
<john-l> For example, <type xmlns=""/>
<briansuda_> i'm more than happy to fix things, just let me know how
<DanC> er... we can only tell you what the symptoms are
<jjc> it was hard to say, because the transform is complex
examples from primer
<jjc> seemed to be the problem when I looked in detail
HarryH: (plaintively) the transform runs...
<jjc> some RDF tools are fussier than others
<DanC> review.rdf has no xmlns="" 's
may be taking advantage of a bug
<DanC> <a href="review.rdf">a RDF version of the hotel reviews</a
<jjc> jjc: I think it is plausible that na XSLT iomplementation forgets the xmlns=""
<DanC> yes, john-l
<jjc> jjc and hence gets legal RDF output for the wrong reasons
<john-l> That RDF file looks fine.
]some of briansuda's code is linked from primer - could do with freezing
<john-l> briansuda_: Can you produce a frozen stable version for the primer?
<john-l> That would be useful; I think that stuff needs to get to Harry.
<jjc> The review.rdf differs from my msg of Apr
bratwurst & weissbeir please...
<john-l> jjc: Did you generate the RDF from that msg?
<jjc> I don't remember
<DanC> ACTION: Chime to contact SemWebCG (CC IvanH) about who might be at STC '07 - mention session [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action19]
logo competition in susie s's hands
<DanC> ACTION: HH to e-mail GRDDL Logo contest announcement - semantic web at w3.org (pending Susie/SWEO). [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/23-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action20]
<DanC> I see b/w at http://www.siatec.net/grddl/grddl_01.png ; is that by design?
the machine I'm skyping through just shutdown...
<DanC> noted, danja
<jjc> I'll continue making scribe notes for now
<DanC> I'm inclined to adjourn.
<john-l> All the logos I looked at were b/w
<jjc> That continue to be largely beer orders etc
re. Danja to pick LeeF over Spreadsheet to RDF examples, does he have XSLT?
short answer: no
<DanC> mnot might
long answer in comments at http://dannyayers.com/2007/05/20/spreadsheets-triples
<DanC> PROPOSED: to adjourn
<DanC> can I get a 2nd?
<jjc> I second
<DanC> any reason not to?
<DanC> danja, hang on a sec while I chat with RRSAgent about the minutes, OK?
thanks - I did get a 403
<DanC> the world-access request has a latency of ~30seconds
ok, so I take that, tidy it up & mail list within 2 days..?
<DanC> right; lemme tidy it just a bit by IRC here 1st...
<DanC> Simone, the logos seemed bigger than what I expected, too
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