<scribe> Scribe: Raphael

<scribe> Scribenick: raphael

<zeljko> hi raphael

<alessio_> hi all

<chrisa> hi all!

<alessio_> one number it's mine, zakim

<alessio_> yes :)

<alessio_> italy

<alessio_> yes

<giovannit> zakim:mute me

<giovannit> ops .. coluns

<giovannit> :-)

1. ADMIN

<giovannit> oscar oscar..

<ocelma> I'm close to a window, that's where to noise come from :-)

<ocelma> to->the

<ocelma> come->comes

chrisa, you will join us on the phone ?

<zeljko> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 12th April 2007 telecon: http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-mmsem-minutes.html

<zeljko> RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of the 12th April 2007 telecon: http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-mmsem-minutes.html

<chrisa> no

2. LINKS Pages (5')

<chrisa> I am from home...

<zeljko> Pages are stable

<zeljko> PROPOSED: Publish "Multimedia Vocabularies on the Semantic Web" as an

<zeljko> XGR, see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Apr/0061.html

<zeljko> Some comments on the list, more to come

<zeljko> All the comments have been addressed

<zeljko> No major comments, that should delay publication

<zeljko> RESOLUTION: Publish "Multimedia Vocabularies on the Semantic Web" as an

<zeljko> XGR, after see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Apr/0061.html

3. Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable (5')

<zeljko> Not all comments have been addressed

<zeljko> PROPOSED: Publish "Image Annotation on the Semantic Web" as an XGR

<zeljko> No objections

4. Interoperability Deliverable (20')

4.1 Structure (Vassilis, Jeff)

<zeljko> Jeff to change the document and send email to the group

Jeff, Vassilis to turn the wiki page into an XGR

<TobiasBuerger> Raphael, I would prefer interoperability

<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Vasilis to fill 3.1 and 3.2 -- drop [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]

<zeljko> Interoperability as a term insteda of framework

<zeljko> ACTION: Jeff and Vasilis to fill 3.1 and 3.2 [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]

<zeljko> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action07] [DROPPED]

4.2 Music Use case: (Oscar)

<zeljko> ACTION: Giovanni to explain in more detail parts of the music use [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]

<zeljko> case, defining how to generate play lists [recorded in

<zeljko> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action09] [DONE]

<zeljko> ACTION: Oscar to update a possible scenario with classical music [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]

<zeljko> (thanks to Ivan Herman) [recorded in

<zeljko> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action07] {DONE]

<zeljko> ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable [recorded [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]

<zeljko> in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]

4.3 News Use case: (Thierry, Chris, Raphael)

<zeljko> CTION: Raphael to contact Susanne regarding converge for a solution

<zeljko> for the use case [recorded in

<zeljko> http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-mmsem-minutes.html#action14] [DONE]

4.4 Photo Use case: (Susanne Boll, Erik Mannens)

<zeljko> ACTION: Chris, Thierry and Raphael to update the UC and the interop [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]

<zeljko> deliverable [recorded in

<zeljko> http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action12] [DONE]

5. MPEG-7 Deliverable (5')

<zeljko> ACTION: Oscar, Stamatia, Raphael, Suzanne, Chrisa, Michael to give an [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]

<zeljko> update of the MPEG-7 deliverable by next telecon [recorded in

<zeljko> http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-minutes.html#action20] [DROPPED]

6. Future of the XG (20')

<zeljko> ACTION: Jeff to contact W3C representative to discuss charter [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]

<zeljko> extension [recorded in

<zeljko> http://www.w3.org/2007/04/12-mmsem-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]

<zeljko> ACTION: Jeff, Raphael and Erik to ask written W3C about formal written [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/26-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]

<zeljko> request [recorded in

<zeljko> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action11] [DONE]

<zeljko> Raphael: summarizing today's discussion about the future of XG

<zeljko> ... need to compile use cases into visionary document...

<zeljko> ... second document, link of MPEG-7 with outher standards...

<zeljko> ... third document about industrial problems...

<zeljko> .. additional documents, Vassilis about cultural domain...

<zeljko> ... talk with companies and industrial partners ...

<zeljko> ... starting time in September...

<zeljko> ...having a chair from academic world and industry...

<zeljko> ... support for document about cultural problems...

<zeljko> ... wiki and public mailing list are always open...

<Paola> can I ask a question?

sure paola, I give you the ball afterwards

<zeljko> Paola: sponsorship by compnies, additional, or just participation of W3C members?

<zeljko> Raphael: non W3C cannot participate.

<zeljko> Paola: is that asking for more money?

<zeljko> Jeff: no additional money.

<zeljko> Paola: if it is not additional money, than it is much better

<zeljko> Jeff: keep the original ones

<zeljko> Raphael: industrial W3C partners have interest to participate and sponsor this group

<zeljko> Jeff: we need to have at least three sponsoring partners

<zeljko> Giovanni: how long is XG extended

<zeljko> Raphael: W3C extend XG for a year

<zeljko> Jeff: workshop before WG

<giovannit> +?

<giovannit> ok

<giovannit> sorry i didnt have that clear

<giovannit> i was proposing ISWC then as a workshop venue

<zeljko> Paola: industrial partners, difficult to get them together in one place

<zeljko> Raphael: circulate charter during the writing

<Melli> one comment on getting new industry sponsors - if possible I think we should try and get them from the different aspects of media management - media generation companies, media processing companies, and so on. If such companies adopt these ideas, it will make it easier for a company focused on media management like Oracle to adopt these technologies.

<zeljko> Jeff: would like that XG extension starts right now

<ocelma> +1 in september

<TobiasBuerger> +1 in september

<erik_chris_gaetan> +1 in september

<zeljko> Several people (seven) replied to the list that they prefer XG starts in September

<chrisa> +1 in september

<Massimo> +1 in september

<zeljko> Giovanni: continue now and finish, and then the workshop

+1 in september

<Melli> I have a question

<zeljko> +1 in september

yes melli

i give you the ball

<giovannit> problem is the workshop (official ones) are closed for ISWC, but we can somehow do it anyway i think if we say "colocated" instead of "ISWC workshop"

we are not talking yet about that giovanni

<zeljko> Melli: not clear how the group will go together if we stop it now and reopen in September

<zeljko> Raphael: keep going = using the mailing list and the wiki

+1 with Paola's opinion ...

<zeljko> Paola: gap between stop and restart give industrial members feeling that they can change and propose something

<zeljko> ... make the people feel they are there from the begining...

<zeljko> Raphael: most of people agrre that next four months are busy period

<zeljko> Jeff: XG is not a working group

<zeljko> ... just a platform...

<zeljko> Raphael: several proposal for new deliverables

<zeljko> Jeff: not enough manpower for new contributions

<TobiasBuerger> I personally would find it very usefull if industry members would be included in initial discussion in the new XG (to define new use cases, deliverables, etc.). Thus supporting Paolas argument.

<zeljko> Raphael: proposals are for new charters

<TobiasBuerger> +q About new proposed deliverable "Addressing Concrete Industry Problems with MMSEM"

<zeljko> Tobias: new deliverable: addressing industry problems, how industry could benefit from multimedia semantics

<zeljko> Erik: another viewpoint: still keep on working, but on less strick base

<alessio_> I agree to re-start in september

<zeljko> ... lots of obligations, not possible to have teleconf every two weeks...

<Paola> sorry I have to leave. Please count me in to help during the "gap" until September

<giovannit> what about a workshop anyway?

<TobiasBuerger> sorry I have to leave, too. I would find it very useful if we produce a position statement on adressing industry problems through mmsem to get industry members on board - I would be available.

<zeljko> Raphael: workshop not a deliveralbel, too strong a commitment

<zeljko> ... as a deliverable, it is mandatory, all participants have to agrre on it...

<zeljko> ... workshop is a good idea, state it in in a less strict way...

<erik_chris_gaetan> what about a workshop in september? ... to introduce the new members, charter & get the momentum back

<Melli> I had to leave the phone, but I think if the visionary document that is proposed to be part of the charter is a recommendation from the group that will be good. Not sure whether an XG is empowered to do that.

<zeljko> Raphael: in september (new beginning) not a workshop but face to face meeting

7. AOB

<Massimo> We agree with the line traced by Raphael. We would like to have only one telecon per month and to have more written things (mailing-list, wiki, ).

<zeljko> Tobias: use the "gap" to state the industry statement

<zeljko> ... startet to write a paper about how to address industry programs...

<zeljko> ... can share it with the group, send it to the list...

<zeljko> RESOLUTION: (re)start a new activity in September

<erik_chris_gaetan> +1 on conclusion of Rafael

<zeljko> +1

<chrisa> +1

<zeljko> Raphael: things can keep going on mailing list and wiki

<Massimo> +1

<erik_chris_gaetan> will see some of you soon ... WWW

<ocelma> bye!

<Massimo> bye !

<alessio_> bye all!

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Regrets: Roberto_Ellero Suzanne_Little Susanne_Boll Pasquale_Popolizo Michael_Hausenblas Thomas_Franz Stamatia Thierry_Declerk Sofia
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