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<John_Boyer> Hi Steven, you there?
<Steven> yes, on XHTML call
<John_Boyer> Somehow the agenda I sent isn't getting through.
<John_Boyer> I sent it to you; could you post to group please?
<John_Boyer> My apologies for the interruption...
<Steven> Didn't get it
<John_Boyer> Hmm, that seems to suggest my mail isn't working
<Steven> not still in your outbox?
<John_Boyer> I'm using Lotus Notes, which does DB replication. That replication appears to be succeeding
<Steven> John, your mails just arrived
<John_Boyer> yes I saw that!
<Schnitz> I will try to remain unmuted
<Schnitz> if I happen to make too much noise, which shouldn't happen, please mute me
<markbirbeck> Scribe: Mark Birbeck
<Steven> scribenick: 10markbirbeck01
<Steven> scribenick: markbirbeck
Note that Darryl hasn't rejoined the group.
John said that the next call is during the web conference.
<John_Boyer> John says May 9 (two calls from now) is during the web conference
Does this mean there should be no call?
John said that unless anyone is speaking at 9am on the Wednesday, it should be possible to make the call.
John asked if Steven could chair on the 16th.
Steven said he probably couldn't make it, due to XTech.
Steven agreed to the 23rd, though.
Sebastian volunteered to chair on the 16th.
John asked Jan if the issues Bjoern raised are out of date now.
<scribe> ACTION: Jan to send a response to Bjoern on the issues raised in email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2003Aug/0000.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-minutes.html#action01]
It should be noted that this email only came to light recently; it had been sent directly to the archives, without going via any of the XForms lists.
<Steven> 04 01http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms-testsuite/ existed in Feb 2003
<scribe> ACTION: John to alphabetise the glossary. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-minutes.html#action02]
<Steven> that was the place to send the message
<scribe> ACTION: Mark Birbeck to reply to email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Apr/0064.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-minutes.html#action03]
<jan> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Implementations ... MozzIE is 3rd implementation listed
There seems to be support for moving items like news, implementations and so on, to the wiki.
<Steven> It is possible to make the wiki editable by WG only
<Steven> I am requesting it now
David's email says that it is not clear when the calculation should be recalculated.
He says that therefore calculated nodes should always be readonly.
John asked if we need to have a different approach to handling LC comments.
It seems that the issues are (a) any changes that a user makes will be overwritten and (b) that since '.' will not create a dependency in the dependency graph, not all calculations will be recalculated in recalculate(), unless there was a rebuild first.
<scribe> ACTION: John will start a thread on the list so as to arrive at a LC response to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0003.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-minutes.html#action04]
<Nick> but if we add that we in europe can't use it
<Steven> Wiki is now writeable only for group members
Mark raised Michael Kay's email, and said that if we are considering this kind of functionality, we should consider doing it in an XPath 2.0 way.
Nick said that the string-compare() function would not be as useful to his use-cases without the collation features that XPath 2.0 has.
It was agreed that we would try to create something that was as close as possible to XPath 2.0 as possible.
<Nick> mark my irc client is crashing constantly so I'm not sure but did you created the two action items for the reponses wit 'ACTION:'?
Nick, I didn't...sorry.
<Nick> can you still create them, that otherwise it is hard for me to create them in 'my' system
Nick, yes, will do.
<Nick> the system that we have now has more information
<Nick> I've looked to the database tables
<scribe> ACTION: Nick to to look at the string-compare() proposal from John, and see whether we can bring this into line with XPath 2.0's compare() function. This should form the basis of a response to John's LC commment http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Mar/0004.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-forms-minutes.html#action05]
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