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ok, thanks shawn
<shawn> scribe: shadi
<Sylvie> hello all I will try to connect to EOWG bridge with another phone number and another phone service so don't be surprised if it does not work properly.
jb: first editorial pass of the
guidelines from the WCAG WG
... Shawn and Judy have been coordinating with WCAG WG on how to make things even clearer
... for example, would it be possible to take out some of the content from the conformance section?
... to keep it brief and less complex to read
... want to compare the conformance section to other W3C publications
... after people have read the conformance section, how much do they understand?
hs: after reading, wasn't really
sure understood what it exactly meant
... would be good t provide a summary and reduce complexity
aa: generally understood it
jb: would you be able to describe it to somebody?
jw: not really
aa: probably yes
jb: how would you describe it?
wl: conformance means meeting the success criteria
aa: there may be alternatives
<judy> [you do need to conform to the success criteria; you don't need to conform to the techniques; and there may be other ways that you can conform, too.]
hs: looks clear
jt: kind of understood how to do exceptions to the techniques, but sounds difficult and wouldn't want to do it
as: not sure if it is easily
readable by non-native speakers
... would describe conformance model as different technologies are supported, different ways to reach conformance
... wondering why baseline is not mentioned?
slh: has been removed
jt: <missed questions>
slh: have additional external materials to explain the specifics
jb: when people are looking at what's normative vs what's external, what do people feel?
as: user agents
aa: additional information should suggest alternatives
jb: advisory techniques
wl: for each success criteria there are techniques, but that's not a normative definition of conformance
slh: approach is to just have the
basic normative information in this document
... the other document has examples and additional information
... maybe even different sections to address different audience
jb: some W3C publications split
up different parts of the documents into different chunks
... for example a condensed part of the normative section, then additional information
... Justin asked who the audience is, let's talk about that
... what are the audiences for "conformance" -who and how will they use it
wl: people who will write about the guidelines
<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to ask (later when other topics are done) about "Accessibility-supported Content Technologies (AsCT)"
slh: web developer who wants to
... policy maker who wants to decide conformance level
... users (particularly people with disabilities) who want to know what a conformance statement means
jb: would it help to add a brief summary up-front?
wl: seems like there was a scope-creep, the section grew
jb: what about examples?
ds: wouldn't help
jt: depends on the audience
jb: doesn't have to be necessarily within the same document
<Mark> * sorry
as: potential confusion with respect to conformance levels and techniques
aa: belongs in understanding document
ds: think it is helpful information
slh: should be clear in all other supporting documents, not necessarily here
<shawn> s/what do people think of "partial conformance"/what do people think of "partial conformance"? Content that conforms to WCAG 1.0
jb: thanks for the discussion,
and especially the written comments in advance
... probably no meeting next week, likely no updated material
<judy> for april 27th:
<Andrew> andrew: prefer no meeting due to other weekend activities
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