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<rreck> hello all
<HarryH> Good to see you RReck.
<rreck> zakim who is on the phone
<john-l> rreck: please state your question in the form of a question. ;-)
<HarryH> Scribe: FabienG
<HarryH> PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG Weekly -- 14 March 2007 as a true record
<HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/att-0110/14-grddl-wg-minutes.html
<HarryH> RESOLVED: to approve GRDDL WG Weekly -- 14 March 2007 as a true recor
Last minutes approved
<HarryH> PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 28 March 11:00-0500. scribe volunteer?
<HarryH> jjc will be scribe for next meeting
<HarryH> ACTION: [DONE] HarryH contact AC Reps directly about form if not filled out by next Tuesday. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
<HarryH> Rachael Yaeger, Ben Adida, and Samsung.
harry: can we contact them by phone?
<briansuda> none at the moment
<HarryH> BrianS? Feedback from microformat land on GRDDL?
Harry: can we get more involvement from microformat comunnity?
<HarryH> http://esw.w3.org/topic/CustomRdfDialects/GrddableMicroformats
DanC: one possibility is to rely on "LexTex" (???)
<scribe> scribe: pointer ?
<jjc> ^XTech^
<chimezie> btw: Ed Dumhill *did* update the XTech schedule with the profiles
<chimezie> it's just not well-formed XML =) (missing entity references)
<jjc> http://2007.xtech.org/
<chimezie> well-formed, but not *valid*, rather..
jjc: isn't what we need sexy applications doing something GRDDL can do and microformats alone can't do?
Chime: the Xtech page has a GRDDL profile but the missing entity references prevent me from parsing the site.
<HarryH> It seems like pinging RyanKing's javascript Microformat generator would be a good idea
<DanC> yeah... profile in the hCard creator... how about that, briansuda ?
<briansuda> i can email him
<HarryH> BrianS, cc me.
<Simone> Harry: Like a GRDDL-o-matic
<briansuda> http://microformats.org/code/?page_id=20
<briansuda> those are the code generators
<HarryH> Wordpress/Yahoo would be great if they used profile URIs
<HarryH> ACTION: BrianS to contact RyanKing about adding GRDDL profile for hCal/hCard to Javascripot microformat generator. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
Harry: convincing Yahoo to add a GRDDL profile would be a victory.
<HarryH> Ack - also add hReview.
<DanC> . http://www.w3.org/Consortium/contact
<DanC> volunteer to write to web-human@w3.org re http://www.w3.org/Consortium/contact ?
Murray: add microformat to W3C documents?
<DanC> rather site-comments@w3.org
<briansuda> briansuda can take that action
DanC: I try to do it when I can (e.g. last W3C tech plenary)
<HarryH> ACTION: BrianS to add microformats+GRDDL Profile to http://www.w3.org/Consortium/contact and contact w3c. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
<chimezie> Semantic Tech Conference?
<DanC> ooh... good idea, chimezie
Murray: what about WWW2007?
Harry: does anyone want to do the Calendar of WWW07?
<HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to contact WWW2007 over microformats+GRDDL for their calendar. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
<HarryH> ACTION: Chime to get Semantic Tech 2007 to use GRDDL+microformats for their calendar. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
<briansuda> another hCalendar-o-matic for quick conference schedule creation http://dmitry.baranovskiy.com/work/csc/
<DanC> I see http://www.semantic-conference.com/ ... with images for the date/place: May 20-24 San Jose
Harry: all of our previous examples use SPARQL and RDF
<DanC> (er... did I have an action to publish the primer? or was that use cases? I don't see any such action in the agenda. was it withdrawn on purpose?)
Harry: there is a request to use OWL examples
<chimezie> OWL entailment example for the HL7 scenario: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0126.html
<chimezie> jjc: we seemed to have lost you
JJC: publishing as a note does not preclude us from publishing again after
<jjc> i can hear
<jjc> i'll redial
<HarryH> PROPSAL: Publish Use-Case document as W3C Note?
<rreck> yes
<HarryH> yes
<briansuda> concur
<jjc> yes
<Simone> yes
<iand> concur
<HarryH> RESOLVED: Publish Use-Case document as W3C Note.
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc43/scenario-gallery.htm
<scribe> ACTION: JJC, to review the primer. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
<DanC> so please s/This document is a Working Group Note/This document is [not yet] a Working Group Note/
<HarryH> ACTION: FabienG to request W3C Webmaster to publish Use-Case document as W3C Note with any additional status text added. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
<DanC> maybe http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transition?docstatus=wg-note-tr ....
<DanC> I see 1.3 2007/03/19 13:24:45 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html
Chime: putting it together for
publication and DanC and JJC comments addressed.
...: the current test repository should have life time behond
the lifetime of WG
JJC: anything going in a ZIP is
ok, first working draft I d'ont care
...: the editor should have adequate discretion on these
issues
DanC: only Harry can send a transition request.
<DanC> 1st public WD process: http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transition?docstatus=fpwd-wd-tr
Harry: just ping me when it's ready.
<jjc> ^these issues^test naming conventions^
<DanC> try: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html,pubrules
JJC: the 404 is not allowed unless it's an example.
<HarryH> ACTION: jjc to produce htaccess file for test-case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]
JJC: getting the first working draft out really is the main issue.
DanC: has anybody tried to make a table of results?
<HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to run EARL-> HTML table generator [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]
<HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007JanMar/0043.html
DanC: none of these actions are in the critical path.
<HarryH> ACTION: jjc to produce EARL for his implementation, and then sort out multiple test passing in his EARL. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]
Harry: what about the null case ?
<DanC> (currently there's no SPARQL in testft.py nor the earl->html thingy. jjc, if you want to introduce SPARQL, it might be most straightforward to switch from python to java altogether)
<HarryH> ACTION [DONE]: Chime adding sentence to Test Case Doc specifying that local security policy must be set to none before running tests
Chime: your policy should not prevent you from running the case.
<chimezie> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc50/grddl-tests.html
<HarryH> PROPOSAL: To publish test-case document as Working Draft? - http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc50/grddl-tests.html
<chimezie> Revision 1.7
<DanC> 1.3 2007/03/19 13:24:4
<DanC> never mind; I see Revision 1.7 2007/03/19 14:03:13
<DanC> I'm happy to go with 1.7 + any edits agreed by chime+jjc
JJC: the publication as a test case does not include the tests except in the ZIP
<rreck> yes, looks good chimezie.
<briansuda> concur
<jjc> yes
<Simone> concur
<scribe> ACTION: Chime to fix the relative URL problem [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]
<DanC> so RESOLVED
<HarryH> APPROVED: To publish test-case document as Working Draft? - http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc50/grddl-tests.html once relative URIs are fixed
<Zakim> DanC, you wanted to ask about .xsl on the end of the transform uris
JJC: subProfile and glean mechanisms removed
<HarryH> ACTION: jjc to get write access to test directory [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12]
<HarryH> ACTION: Edit library file to remove .xsls [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13]
<DanC> no, not the test directory, the library directory (2003/g/)
<HarryH> ACTION: jjc to get write access to library directory [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14]
<HarryH> ACTION: jjc to get write access to test directory [WITHDRAWN] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15]
<HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0064.html
<HarryH> go to item 7
<HarryH> apologies last minute meeting...
<DanC> a test: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3.html#grddlonrdf1
<DanC> a test: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3#grddlonrdf1
<DanC> 1.1 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddlonrdf-output1.rdf
<chimezie> grddlonrdf-output1.rdf
<HarryH> ok will be able to participate via IRC
<DanC> RESOLVED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3#grddlonrdf1
<DanC> JJC: the SHOULD in the spec only supports result 3, the merge
<DanC> UNDO: we're not RESOLVED to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist3#grddlonrdf1
<HarryH> ?
<HarryH> What SHOULD exactly?
<john-l> Did we lose our scribe?
<DanC> DanC: "An implementation only has to produce one of these three" connotes MUST, where the spec says SHOULD
JJC: get the doc out and then review the wording
<HarryH> I wrote that, am happy for "has to produce" to be changed to "should produce"
<DanC> propose to adjourn
<DanC> ADJOURN.
<DanC> .......
<DanC> visiting http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1 ...
<rreck> gotta run, bye
<john-l> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests.html#normative
<john-l> Is there any way I can also get CVS access?
<HarryH> I think DanC can request w3c to give people CVS access.
<HarryH> I'd definitely like to see you get CVS access.
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