W3C

HTTP - Prague

18 Mar 2007

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Attendees

Present
Mark Nottingham, Julian Reschke, Yves Lafon, Henrik Nordström, Yngve Pettersen, Bernard Desruisseaux, Alex Melnikov
Regrets
Chair
Scribe
Mark

Contents


 

i8 - bad text in issue; already fixed in latest spec; closed

i13 - pivotal issue is whether BNF is self-contained; i.e., should we reference external specs, or copy BNF?

i19 - proposal is to change text as per mnot suggestion jan 15 + roy's modifications for intermediaries + warning in 4.3 that extending existing methods may be problematic

i20 - "Data in character sets other..." -- just for text/* types

i20 - subtype default overrides 8859-1

i21 - Combine to make second sentence dependent upon the first: "If the Request-URI does not point to an existing resource, and that URI is capable of being defined as a new resource by the requesting user agent, the origin server can create the resource with that URI. If a new resource is created, the origin server MUST inform the user agent via the 201 (Created) response. "

i23 - client can't invalidate; status quo. Need better documentation?

<Yves> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2005JulSep/0009.html as input for i23

i24 - add sentence: This list MAY not be complete.

i24 - Fix in definition of Allow rather than 405. Also, there's a re-stated requirement in Allow header.

i25 - Accept proposal 1

i26 - dependent on RFC3986 status, refer vs. copy issue for references

i27 - loosen definition of Idempotency as per Roy

<scribe> ACTION: Yves to make a proposal for i28 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action01]

<Yves> 2: If a Transfer-Encoding header field (Section 14.41) is present, then the transfer-length is defined by use of the "chunked" transfer-coding (Section 3.6), unless the message is terminated by closing the connection.

<Yves> =>

<Yves> 2: If a Transfer-Encoding header field (Section 14.41) is present, and the "chunked" transfer-coding is used, then the transfer-length is defined by use of the "chunked" transfer-coding (Section 3.6)

<scribe> ACTION: Julian to implement i8 resolutino [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action02]

<scribe> ACTION: Julian to drive discussion of whether we do references by value (copy or reference) on the list for i13 (and others) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action03]

<scribe> ACTION: mnot to make rollup proposal for i19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action04]

<scribe> ACTION: mnot to make proposal for i20 - make proposal for i20 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action05]

<scribe> ACTION: Julian to make proposal for i21 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action06]

<scribe> ACTION: Henrik to drive discussion of how to better document the caching model for i23 (and others) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action07]

<scribe> ACTION: mnot to make proposal for re-write of Allow header for i24 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action08]

<scribe> ACTION: Julian to implement i25 resolution (proposal 1) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action09]

<scribe> ACTION: Julian to summarise Roy's proposal for i27 to list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action10]

<scribe> ACTION: Henrik to look at implementation concerns of i29 and report back [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action11]

i30 - #1. No, fix grammar. #2. No, no change. #3. No, security considerations? #4. Security considerations?

<scribe> ACTION: Henrik to summarise position on i30 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action12]

<scribe> ACTION: Julian to implement i31 Proposal 1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action13]

i33: Not really a issue specific to the protocol

<scribe> ACTION: Yves to tell the list why i33 should be closed with no action [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action14]

<Yves> -> client side (browser) security model

i34: many interdependencies, lots of text talking about URIs

split issue into: a) BNF update (dependant on whether we inline or reference)

b) definition of the HTTP URI scheme

c) review other discussions of URIs in the spec

<scribe> ACTION: Julian to drive discussion of i34-derived issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action15]

<scribe> ACTION: Henrik to propose clarifying language for i37 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action16]

<scribe> ACTION: Henrik to find and forward Roy's discussion of i38 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action17]

i36 - Put collected BNF in appendix.

scribe: fix current BNF so it parses.
... Use Bill Fenner's tools to transform.
... Look at reproducing # construct.
... THEN, evaluate LWS, other issues.

<scribe> ACTION: Julian to start doing BNF conversion for i36. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action18]

i39 - could just introduce a few sentences around variant and entity definitions, could add a whole new section (along the lines of JM's Clarifying the Fundamentals of HTTP).

i39 - look also at RFC3230

ACTION - mnot to make proposals around i39.

<scribe> ACTION: mnot to make proposals around i39. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action19]

i40: registration templates in header definitions
... also record: header type, end/end or hop/hop, list or single, delmiter for list?,
... question as whether they should be inlined

<scribe> ACTION: Julian to start working on i40 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action20]

<scribe> ACTION: Julian to incorporate proposal 1 from i46. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action21]

<Yves> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2006OctDec/0290.html

i51: separate productions for produce vs. consume ("obsolete date formats"), add BNF comments, and add explantory note to BNF section.

<scribe> ACTION: Julian to incorporate i51 resolution. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action22]

<scribe> ACTION: Julian to produce alpha sorted terminology list to see what it looks like [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action23]

<scribe> ACTION: mnot to float making 13.5.2 requirement apply to transparent proxies only, and adding Allow. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action24]

<scribe> NEW ISSUE: examine the relationship between the history stack and caching directives.

<scribe> NEW ISSUE: look at more explanation of the caching model (perhaps in a separate document)

<scribe> NEW ISSUE: header i18n

wrt header i18n, see 2231

scribe: and IRI->URI, and 2047

<scribe> NEW ISSUE: Pipelining - what to do with so many broken implementations

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Henrik to drive discussion of how to better document the caching model for i23 (and others) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Henrik to find and forward Roy's discussion of i38 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action17]
[NEW] ACTION: Henrik to look at implementation concerns of i29 and report back [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Henrik to propose clarifying language for i37 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: Henrik to summarise position on i30 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Julian to drive discussion of i34-derived issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action15]
[NEW] ACTION: Julian to drive discussion of whether we do references by value (copy or reference) on the list for i13 (and others) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Julian to implement i25 resolution (proposal 1) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Julian to implement i31 Proposal 1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: Julian to implement i8 resolutino [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Julian to incorporate i51 resolution. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action22]
[NEW] ACTION: Julian to incorporate proposal 1 from i46. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action21]
[NEW] ACTION: Julian to make proposal for i21 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Julian to produce alpha sorted terminology list to see what it looks like [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action23]
[NEW] ACTION: Julian to start doing BNF conversion for i36. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action18]
[NEW] ACTION: Julian to start working on i40 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action20]
[NEW] ACTION: Julian to summarise Roy's proposal for i27 to list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: mnot to float making 13.5.2 requirement apply to transparent proxies only, and adding Allow. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action24]
[NEW] ACTION: mnot to make proposal for i20 - make proposal for i20 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: mnot to make proposal for re-write of Allow header for i24 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: mnot to make proposals around i39. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action19]
[NEW] ACTION: mnot to make rollup proposal for i19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to make a proposal for i28 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to tell the list why i33 should be closed with no action [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/18-rfc2616-minutes.html#action14]
 
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