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7 Mar 2007

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Attendees

Present
HarryH, danja, john-l, Chimezie_Ogbuji, briansuda, Murray_Maloney, Simone, +0127368aaaa, jjc
Regrets
DanC
Chair
HarryH
Scribe
BrianS

Contents


 

 

<jjc2> dialing in a moment

<HarryH> Convene GRDDL WG Meeting of 2007-03-07

that is fine

<HarryH> Thanks BrianS

<HarryH> Scribe: BrianS

<HarryH> PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG Weekly -- 28 Feb 2007 as a true record

<HarryH> RESOLVED: GRDDL WG Weekly -- 28 Feb 2007 as a true record

<HarryH> Chime to scribe next meeting.

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Patent Policy

<HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0021.html

Harry, everyone needs to fillout the form from Ian

Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-03-07T11:00-0500

Advocating

Murry, the form is for AC not members?

<HarryH> BrianS?

i/m here

<HarryH> Do you want me to demute you?

<HarryH> Or just type in IRC?

i can here you

hear

i emailed the list,

i also got Operator to support some GRDDL

yes

MF list

nothing more at the moment

Harry, other advocacy ideas? popular XML dialects

Danny, working to get Profile URIs out there

indifference in getting them setup from the MF list

the XMDPs need to mint a good profile URI

<john-l> Technical question: what happens when microformats and GRDDL interpret a document's content in conflicting ways?

lack of profile URI doesn't seem to be a problem

danny, create some bad formats

danny, XFN has profile, but probably not GRDDLed

<HarryH> ACTION: Danja to update the ESW wiki to have list of profile URIs and a sort of check-box for which ones are GRDDL-enabled or not. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]

<danja> http://dannyayers.com/misc/microformats/soupdragon

Danny, created a test case to find issues

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Primer Document: Last Call?

Harry, primer document take-up

Murry, can give it a solid review

Harry, is looking for a co-editor on the Primer

jeremy, can review it as well

harry, needs to push the changes to the primer

harry, people think the primer should go rec track? needs reviewer and an editorial changes

<HarryH> ACTION: Jeremy and Murray to review Primer after HarryH's adds in changs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]

Use-Case Document: Going To Last Call?

Test Cases as Rec?

harry, should the test cases go to rec?

<HarryH> Chime to edit the Test Cases.

there is questions about normative, versus others

help from jeremy?

jeremy, i can help, but not co-edit

John, i can help test cases documents

<HarryH> Chime is definitely editor of doc.

Chime, order test cases, by normitive

harry, base-param is normative

<Zakim> jjc, you wanted to mention OWL test approval process

chime, can order them himself,. no need to do this now

Jeremy, on the OWL list got approved if two implementations passed it

approval by software, only objections we discussed

chime, good coverage by implementation

Jeremy, pending tests for a long time, until implementations caught-up. Then tests got approved quickly

chime, do test cases cover all the issues

jeremy, needs more work on the schema profile

<HarryH> Using EARL to generate HTMl from implementations.

harry, this helps to show which tests pass, etc

Harry, for next week, which tests exist and which don't

<HarryH> ACTION: Chime to take pending tests for approval from agenda and see if at least 2 implementations pass them. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]

GRDDL Spec: Last Call

<HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Feb/0212.html

Harry, discussion about rel="transformation" issues when multiple values

Murry, sees the text as just fine... others mis-read it

Murry, sent some words to fix this normative issues

<HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0015.html

Harry, security issuses from multiple people

<HarryH> ACTION: Murray to resolve potential ambiguity with multiple values in transformations. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]

Jeremy, nothing new from Last Call....

adding texts to specs, so implementations can reference the spec in dangerous places

end users take the risks, but only after we give/list those risks

Harry, hard to document zero results as ok?

Harry, GRDDL agent can not produce no results based on local policy

<jjc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0037

and still pass the tests

Murry, can't pass the tests if there was no result

Jeremy, a conforming GRDDL agent that produces nothing, is worthless

non-issue

Chime, conformance label requires GRDDL agents to produce a reult

Chime, if we are pushing conformance, then we should remove the ambiguity

Harry, GRDDL agent can alter local policy to produce results, or test cases go normative and then you need results

<chimezie> I prefer we have a rec track test document without scenarios where there are no results

Jeremy, doesn't think this should be a worry. Reality, people may or may not use the label ....

mis-use of the label doesn't get them sued, so what is the benefit of labeling....

Jeremy, requiring a GRDDL agent to set secuirty policy to none

Harry, add that to the test case, so all agents must turn off secuirty policy before running tests.

Murray, useful to have a paragraph which describes how to set the secuirty to match output

<HarryH> ACTION: Chime adding sentence to Test Case Doc specifying that local security policy must be set to none before running tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]

Harry, emails and comments about Javascript developers

<HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007JanMar/0068.html

scribe: for javascript developers

<john-l> ... and basically any other language besides XSLT

he wanted more guidance

Chime, his concerns were about non-normative texts

scribe: be more specific about which languages supported
... there is reply to his comments in the archives

impossible to implement a transform with JUST javascript

Chime, the output format issue language gave explicit examples with XSLTs

Danny, thinks it is impossible to implement directly in Javascript

scribe: seperate document which describes how it should be done
... redirection, similar to the profiles

<chimezie> 1) Sections preceeding normative sections seemed to suggest the spec covered non-XSLT scenarios, but they don't 2) The output of transforms should either be only RDF/XML or at least associated with a mime-type

Danny, just leave it as it is

Harry, continue dialog with stefano, and get feedback

<danja> my latest blog comment on the matter - http://dannyayers.com/2007/03/03/grddl-and-language-neutrality

Harry, it was underspecifed by RDFa, you can output as HTML/RDFa, JSON, etc

scribe: need more experience with non-XSLT

<chimezie> we would be faced with the same issue that XProc would if they attempted to accomodate non-workflow-oriented components in an XML Pipeline

Jeremy, XSLT2 implementations as well

<danja> chimezie, couldn't an XML pipeline include a Javascript component?

Chime, for a time we tried to specific a mimeType comming out

Danny., N3 output example, spec was silent on the final representation

Chime, greenboxes only refer to RDF-XML as output

Harry, i was to be an RDF graph not just RDF-XML

as output

scribe: rules in the spec that go against the WG decisions
... informative text to say the Graph can be RDF-XML, N3, etc

<chimezie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0022.html

<chimezie> is the suggested change to accomodate mime-type-based parsing

<HarryH> ACTION: To deal with suggested changes for mime-type based parsing and RDF/XML issues in spec. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]

Jeremy, go through a couple quick tests?

scribe: content-negotiation on language and mime-type

is the merge of those two results correct?

<chimezie> I agree

scribe: get all the representations and merge ALL the results? the spec is more about get one rep based on your preferences

<HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to update #langconneg test-case to deal with merge from different representations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]

Jeremy, SVG test has a similar issue

<HarryH> Meeting adjourned

AJOURNED

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Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Chime adding sentence to Test Case Doc specifying that local security policy must be set to none before running tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Chime to take pending tests for approval from agenda and see if at least 2 implementations pass them. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Danja to update the ESW wiki to have list of profile URIs and a sort of check-box for which ones are GRDDL-enabled or not. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: HarryH to update #langconneg test-case to deal with merge from different representations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeremy and Murray to review Primer after HarryH's adds in changs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Murray to resolve potential ambiguity with multiple values in transformations. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: To deal with suggested changes for mime-type based parsing and RDF/XML issues in spec. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
 
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Regrets: DanC

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