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<jjc2> dialing in a moment
<HarryH> Convene GRDDL WG Meeting of 2007-03-07
that is fine
<HarryH> Thanks BrianS
<HarryH> Scribe: BrianS
<HarryH> PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG Weekly -- 28 Feb 2007 as a true record
<HarryH> RESOLVED: GRDDL WG Weekly -- 28 Feb 2007 as a true record
<HarryH> Chime to scribe next meeting.
<HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0021.html
Harry, everyone needs to fillout the form from Ian
Murry, the form is for AC not members?
<HarryH> BrianS?
i/m here
<HarryH> Do you want me to demute you?
<HarryH> Or just type in IRC?
i can here you
hear
i emailed the list,
i also got Operator to support some GRDDL
yes
MF list
nothing more at the moment
Harry, other advocacy ideas? popular XML dialects
Danny, working to get Profile URIs out there
indifference in getting them setup from the MF list
the XMDPs need to mint a good profile URI
<john-l> Technical question: what happens when microformats and GRDDL interpret a document's content in conflicting ways?
lack of profile URI doesn't seem to be a problem
danny, create some bad formats
danny, XFN has profile, but probably not GRDDLed
<HarryH> ACTION: Danja to update the ESW wiki to have list of profile URIs and a sort of check-box for which ones are GRDDL-enabled or not. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
<danja> http://dannyayers.com/misc/microformats/soupdragon
Danny, created a test case to find issues
Harry, primer document take-up
Murry, can give it a solid review
Harry, is looking for a co-editor on the Primer
jeremy, can review it as well
harry, needs to push the changes to the primer
harry, people think the primer should go rec track? needs reviewer and an editorial changes
<HarryH> ACTION: Jeremy and Murray to review Primer after HarryH's adds in changs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
harry, should the test cases go to rec?
<HarryH> Chime to edit the Test Cases.
there is questions about normative, versus others
help from jeremy?
jeremy, i can help, but not co-edit
John, i can help test cases documents
<HarryH> Chime is definitely editor of doc.
Chime, order test cases, by normitive
harry, base-param is normative
<Zakim> jjc, you wanted to mention OWL test approval process
chime, can order them himself,. no need to do this now
Jeremy, on the OWL list got approved if two implementations passed it
approval by software, only objections we discussed
chime, good coverage by implementation
Jeremy, pending tests for a long time, until implementations caught-up. Then tests got approved quickly
chime, do test cases cover all the issues
jeremy, needs more work on the schema profile
<HarryH> Using EARL to generate HTMl from implementations.
harry, this helps to show which tests pass, etc
Harry, for next week, which tests exist and which don't
<HarryH> ACTION: Chime to take pending tests for approval from agenda and see if at least 2 implementations pass them. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
<HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Feb/0212.html
Harry, discussion about rel="transformation" issues when multiple values
Murry, sees the text as just fine... others mis-read it
Murry, sent some words to fix this normative issues
<HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0015.html
Harry, security issuses from multiple people
<HarryH> ACTION: Murray to resolve potential ambiguity with multiple values in transformations. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
Jeremy, nothing new from Last Call....
adding texts to specs, so implementations can reference the spec in dangerous places
end users take the risks, but only after we give/list those risks
Harry, hard to document zero results as ok?
Harry, GRDDL agent can not produce no results based on local policy
<jjc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0037
and still pass the tests
Murry, can't pass the tests if there was no result
Jeremy, a conforming GRDDL agent that produces nothing, is worthless
non-issue
Chime, conformance label requires GRDDL agents to produce a reult
Chime, if we are pushing conformance, then we should remove the ambiguity
Harry, GRDDL agent can alter local policy to produce results, or test cases go normative and then you need results
<chimezie> I prefer we have a rec track test document without scenarios where there are no results
Jeremy, doesn't think this should be a worry. Reality, people may or may not use the label ....
mis-use of the label doesn't get them sued, so what is the benefit of labeling....
Jeremy, requiring a GRDDL agent to set secuirty policy to none
Harry, add that to the test case, so all agents must turn off secuirty policy before running tests.
Murray, useful to have a paragraph which describes how to set the secuirty to match output
<HarryH> ACTION: Chime adding sentence to Test Case Doc specifying that local security policy must be set to none before running tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
Harry, emails and comments about Javascript developers
<HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007JanMar/0068.html
scribe: for javascript developers
<john-l> ... and basically any other language besides XSLT
he wanted more guidance
Chime, his concerns were about non-normative texts
scribe: be more specific about
which languages supported
... there is reply to his comments in the archives
impossible to implement a transform with JUST javascript
Chime, the output format issue language gave explicit examples with XSLTs
Danny, thinks it is impossible to implement directly in Javascript
scribe: seperate document which
describes how it should be done
... redirection, similar to the profiles
<chimezie> 1) Sections preceeding normative sections seemed to suggest the spec covered non-XSLT scenarios, but they don't 2) The output of transforms should either be only RDF/XML or at least associated with a mime-type
Danny, just leave it as it is
Harry, continue dialog with stefano, and get feedback
<danja> my latest blog comment on the matter - http://dannyayers.com/2007/03/03/grddl-and-language-neutrality
Harry, it was underspecifed by RDFa, you can output as HTML/RDFa, JSON, etc
scribe: need more experience with non-XSLT
<chimezie> we would be faced with the same issue that XProc would if they attempted to accomodate non-workflow-oriented components in an XML Pipeline
Jeremy, XSLT2 implementations as well
<danja> chimezie, couldn't an XML pipeline include a Javascript component?
Chime, for a time we tried to specific a mimeType comming out
Danny., N3 output example, spec was silent on the final representation
Chime, greenboxes only refer to RDF-XML as output
Harry, i was to be an RDF graph not just RDF-XML
as output
scribe: rules in the spec that go
against the WG decisions
... informative text to say the Graph can be RDF-XML, N3,
etc
<chimezie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0022.html
<chimezie> is the suggested change to accomodate mime-type-based parsing
<HarryH> ACTION: To deal with suggested changes for mime-type based parsing and RDF/XML issues in spec. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
Jeremy, go through a couple quick tests?
scribe: content-negotiation on language and mime-type
is the merge of those two results correct?
<chimezie> I agree
scribe: get all the representations and merge ALL the results? the spec is more about get one rep based on your preferences
<HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to update #langconneg test-case to deal with merge from different representations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
Jeremy, SVG test has a similar issue
<HarryH> Meeting adjourned
AJOURNED
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